Road Safety & Cllr. Harry Smith – Facts not Labour Fiction

Harry says “The results of the traffic survey have shown that average daily flows of 791 vehicles and average 85%ile speeds of 35.6mph within Boundary Road. Speeding by individual drivers is irresponsible however, not all roads where drivers speed require the introduction of lowered speed limits. Indeed, the very few irresponsible drivers choosing to grossly … Continue reading “Road Safety & Cllr. Harry Smith – Facts not Labour Fiction”

Harry says “The results of the traffic survey have shown that average daily flows of 791 vehicles and average 85%ile speeds of 35.6mph within Boundary Road. Speeding by individual drivers is irresponsible however, not all roads where drivers speed require the introduction of lowered speed limits. Indeed, the very few irresponsible drivers choosing to grossly ignore the current 30mph speed limit by travelling in excess of 40 and 50mph are unlikely to adhere to a 20mph speed limit.”

The automated traffic count can be viewed by anyone reading this article.

Let’s start with the first statistic quoted by Harry, an average 791 daily flows of traffic.

Northbound Southbound Total Daily Flow
Sat 738 630 1368
Sun 659 563 1222
Mon 876 710 1586
Tue 867 788 1655
Wed 905 831 1736
Thu 884 776 1660
Fri 973 874 1847
Average 843 739 1582




Amazingly Harry’s average of 791 is half of what it should be. Harry has taken the real figure 1,582 and amazingly halved it! This means the average traffic flows are double what he stated in front of about 60 councillors and members of the public!

Now we’ve learnt there were double the cars Harry thought there were, let’s move his claims about speed.

Once again Harry tries incorrectly to take an average of two figures (from the Northbound and Southbound counts) to make it sound better.

One figure is for the slowest 5 out of every 6 cars going Northbound. The other figure is for the slowest 5 out of every 6 cars going Southbound.

As shown above in the table an extra 15% of vehicles went in the Northbound direction, so you can’t just average out the two figures by adding them together and dividing by two. 5,902 cars went Northbound, but only 5,174 went Southbound.

However Harry’s next point as he makes a prediction:-

“the very few irresponsible drivers choosing to grossly ignore the current 30mph speed limit by travelling in excess of 40 and 50mph are unlikely to adhere to a 20mph speed limit.”

Yes, Harry there are a few drivers (suprisingly) during this study that travelled between 60 and 70mph in a 30mph area.

However let’s stick to those doing above 30mph. Most of the drivers are exceeding the speed limit going Northbound. When you add together the drivers going in the other direction too exceeding the speed limit it’s nearly 5,000 speeding vehicles/week.

If you’re trying to cross the road and a driver is doing 40mph, 50mph or 60mph if you get hit your chances of survival are pretty slim.

The speeding traffic is comparable to what Harry said was the total traffic flows.

Yes, there are under a hundred vehicles doing over 45mph a week. However how does Harry know what these drivers would do even if they were reminded of the current speed limit? I live in the road this survey was done. There aren’t any signs telling drivers of the current speed limit, so how are drivers to know what it is?

Harry also said “As a concerned Ward Councillor I have asked that the Director make all available efforts to conclude his outstanding investigations as soon as possible and report his findings appropriately.”

We’re still here 14 months later. I appreciate what has been done so far, but it hasn’t addressed the issues in the petition. How fast is ASAP?

Road Safety & Cllr. Harry Smith – Facts not Fiction

I was going over a question Cllr Smith was asked on the 18th October by my wife (which follows on from a further question) the previous year.

Harry said, “I understand from the Director of Technical Services that the investigations into the concerns raised by the petitioners are still ongoing due to a number of factors.”

John says, “The petition about Brow Road/Boundary Road/Worcester Road/Hoylake Road was handed in on the 8th October 2009 at the Bidston & St. James/Claughton Area Forum (see section 5 Public Question Time). Are you seriously saying that 375 days after the petition has been handed in investigations are still “ongoing”?

This was a time when you were Labour’s spokesperson on the topic. However standing order 21 forbids you from speaking about the petition at all!

Moving swiftly on:-

Harry said, “I understand that whilst it was the intention of the Director of Technical Services to report the findings of his investigations into the petitioners concerns to a meeting of the Highways and Traffic Representation Panel prior to the formulation of the 2010/11 Road Safety Block programme.”

John says “Yes, but doesn’t this contradict the answer you gave on the 2nd November 2009 when you told a full meeting of the council that it would be considered as part of the 2010/11 Road Safety Block programme?”

Harry says “this was not in fact possible due to the fact that part of Boundary Road is included in Government’s requirement that each Highway Authority in the UK undertake a review of speed limits on all A and B class roads and implement any changes by 2011.”

Yes, a review of speed limits of all A, B and C roads was agreed by a Labour-led Cabinet many months before the petition. However this covered all roads. In fact what was agreed was that a list of petitions/public enquiries would be made available to those doing the study (which cost about £400,000). See 4.1 of this this report (which was agreed by Labour councillors).

Other factors such as fatalities on Boundary and Hoylake Road should’ve factored in too. I’ve read through the Department for Transport Circular mentioned in the report. It mentions many things, but there is no legal requirement on Wirral Council to implement changes by 2011.

The sentence in the document is “Traffic authorities are, however, asked to review the speed limits on all of their A and B roads, and implement any necessary changes, by 2011 in accordance with this guidance.”

Tuition Fees

I notice at a full meeting of Wirral Council next Monday that Labour councillors are tabling a motion entitled “Lib Dem Student Betrayal”.

Firstly it says tuition fees will triple. This is incorrect. At the moment there’s a cap of £3,000 so universities can charge anything from £0 to £3000. If the new proposals are accepted £9000 is just an upper ceiling for what they can charge. The way the motion is worded you’d think all universities will all charge the most that they can; the truth is they won’t. Universities were only allowed to charge tuition fees if they also gave out bursaries. If the bursaries stay in place, this should offset the tuition fees.

A National Scholarship Programme will mean university students from poorer backgrounds might not pay any tuition fees for the first couple of years.

The pledge was “I pledge to vote against any increase in fees in the next parliament and to pressure the government to introduce a fairer alternative”. A number of Lib Dem MPs have already agreed to vote against an increase in fees, such as the Party President Tim Farron. The party has definitely been pressuring for a fairer alternative to the current system which will be extended to part-time students for the first time.

Labour also have the gall to put in their motion “these cuts will reduce social mobility and create a system in which only those young people from affluent families will be able to go to university”.

However it was Labour’s introduction of tuition fees in 2003 & Labour’s wish that 50% of school leavers go to university that has led to this already. I was a student at Liverpool University in the years after tuition fees were brought in. The university population was not reflective of society as the prospect of student debt put people off from poorer backgrounds.

People from larger families were also deterred from going as having subsidised their older brothers and sister through university often their parents didn’t have the financial means to have more than one of their children at university at a time.

I do not have any problem with more young people going to university. Has our economy now or even in three years time got enough graduate-level jobs for them to pay off their student debts and loans after they graduate? In the last few years I have known many graduates struggle to find employment or in the case of postgraduate students turned down for jobs because they’re “over qualified”.