What did politicians on Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority say about a fire station at Saughall Massie before the consultation began?

What did politicians on Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority say about a fire station at Saughall Massie before the consultation began?

Chief Fire Officer Dan Stephens earlier this year explaining to councillors on Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority why he thinks Saughall Massie is the best place for a new fire station

What did politicians on Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority say about a fire station at Saughall Massie before the consultation began?

 

Chief Fire Officer Dan Stephens earlier this year explaining to councillors on Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority why he thinks Saughall Massie is the best place for a new fire station
Chief Fire Officer Dan Stephens explaining to councillors on Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority why he thinks Saughall Massie is the best place for a new fire station

The author of this piece is also the Appellant in a First-Tier Tribunal matter where Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority is the Second Respondent.

A long time ago, in fact the 29th January 2015 the Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority met to agree on a consultation on a fire station in Saughall Massie. Recently a planning application was submitted to Wirral Council for a new fire station in Saughall Massie.

Below is an uncorrected transcript of what was said at that meeting (as it covers the planning application and what comes next), which can also be watched in the two Youtube videos below.

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Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority meeting on 29th January 2015 Part 1 of 2 (44m 05s)

Notes: known speakers are identified by name in all caps. Unknown speakers are down as “Unidentified speaker”.

Parenthetical notations are used to record happenings (such as a vote), these are also in all caps.

Sounds that cannot be distinguished on the recording or by shorthand notes taken at the time are referred to as indiscernibles. If known, the reason will be included such as [indiscernible – background noise], [indiscernible – accent], [indiscernible – overlapping speakers], [indiscernible – rapid speech] and [indiscernible – away from microphone].

When it is not possible to determine the correct spelling, the word (phonetic) may be used.

For the purposes of clarity the heading for each agenda item will be included in bold capitalised text for example followed by a timestamp [1. Preliminary Matters 0:04]

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Location: Temporary Meeting Room, 1st floor, Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service Headquarters, L30 4YD
Date: 29th January 2015
Committee: Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority

Clip: Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority Thursday 29th January 2015 Part 1 of 2
Length of Clip:
44:06 (mm:ss)

[Agenda item 1 – Preliminary Matters 0:01]


[indiscernible – overlapping speakers]

CLLR DAVE HANRATTY (CHAIR): bring the public meeting to order. Good afternoon everybody Members, Officers and representatives.

Errm, firstly there’s no recording as of yet, Mr. Brace have you got that?

I just need to just read out a piece of housekeeping things.

Errm, in respect of a fire alarm test, there aren’t any this afternoon, but if a fire alarm does go off, then obviously you know it’s a problem and to meet outside in the car park.

Obviously, it’s a public building and there’s no smoking allowed inside the public building.

Anybody who requires to use the toilets, they’re just outside the corridor on the left hand side. Anybody who wishes to leave the meeting for whatever reason is to make sure that any recording equipment is switched off and errm privacy and confidentiality because the proceedings will be recorded to ensure that Members to look out for any [indiscernible – accent] showing that may be private or confidential

[Deputy Chief Fire Officer Phil Garrigan arrives at this point]

CLLR DAVE HANRATTY (CHAIR): or may be exempt

[1:00]

and are we agreed for the, these proceedings to be recorded? Does anybody have any objection? No?

And I would ask that all, all mobile phones be either switched off or put on silent. Is that ok? Could everybody check their mobile phones please? Thank you. OK?

So I therefore Councillor Hanratty, Chair of the [indiscernible – background noise] now declare this meeting open. OK?

And as this is the err reconvened meeting because as you know in December it was adjourned this meeting, this meeting was of the errm, we weren’t certain already about the outcome of negotiations with the Council so I need to the open the adjourned meeting if that’s the correct terminology.

So have we any apologies for absence? No?

[indiscernible – background noise]

Thank you for that. Err, any declarations of interest, for any Members or officers for any items on the agenda? No?

[2:00]

There’s no additional items which the Chair has determined as any great matters of urgency and we do have two items which are exempt in which we’ll exclude the press and public, that’s item F to item number 5 and obviously there’s item number 6.

Which if anybody has any questions on item 5, then please let us know because we’ll have to ask the members of the public for that item. We’ll have to ask err members of the public to to leave errm if that’s ok? But item 6, we’ll have to ask them then in any event.

OK, is that agreed?

[indiscernible – overlapping speakers]

[the six councillors visible on the tape (Cllr Dave Hanratty, Cllr Les Byrom, Cllr Linda Maloney, Cllr Jimmy Mahon and Cllr Ted Grannell and Cllr Barbara Murray) did not raise their hand to vote in favour of Cllr Dave Hanratty’s motion at this point]

Just before we start the meeting, just to say that we have received a message back from Councillor Tom Newman, just to thank the Authority for the gifts for the hard work that he’d received following his err retirement from the Authority so if we could just err make a note of that and also errm, the the good news is that errm the Fire Chief Dan Stephens

[3:00]

was given the honour as well with the Queen’s Fire Service, sorry about that.

[indiscernible – overlapping speakers]

Well, we inspire service medals! It’s a great honour and you know how wonderful for his family, but also for everybody involved in the Authority and the Service, so if we could do..

[applause]

And I’m sure when he goes down to the meeting with her Majesty, he’ll err, he’ll err tell her for a few bob.

[laughter]

DAN STEPHENS (CHIEF FIRE OFFICER, MERSEYSIDE FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICE): I’m not sure about that Chair. [indiscernible – away from microphone] be available.

CLLR DAVE HANRATTY (CHAIR): OK, as we go onto the business of the agenda, item 2 is the minutes of the previous meeting.

[Agenda item 2 – Minutes of the Previous Meeting 3:40]

Is that agreed?

VARIOUS COUNCILLORS: Agreed.

CLLR DAVE HANRATTY (CHAIR): OK, thank you very much. Item 3 is the Corporate Risk Register. OK?

[Agenda item 3 – Corporate Risk Register 3:48]

PHIL GARRIGAN (DEPUTY CHIEF FIRE OFFICER): OK, thanks Chair. I’m [indiscernible – background noise] this, this report.

The purpose of this report is to inform Members of the current risks maintained in the Corporate Risk Register, the status of those risks

[4:00]

and any associated control measures that have been put in place to mitigate those risks including any reference to any new risks introduced during that period and we’ll also be covering any risks that would be removed from the Register over the period and the recommendation is that Members approve the Corporate Risk Register as the risks currently informed in it.

This is a relatively standing item for Members really, in respect of management of the risks to the Authority, errm and the report itself just highlights a couple of the kind of key areas so Members can have it brought to their attention and so it’s six, seven and eight which details some of the more discussion in terms of the risks.

The risks going forward, continued to review the Risk Register and the December update for [indiscernible – accent], it’s all changes that have been made as presented to the Authority and no risks have required any risks or indeed any changes.

Errm risk 1.1.4 (the non uniform pay award) at

5:00

2.2 of the report across two years, a firefighters’ pay award of 1 point, sorry of 1% be agreed. There’s still concerns about the employer’s pensions pots and we are awaiting a government announcement on this.

Erm 1.8 which is risk 2.24, the Equality and Diversity Annual Report, our Equalities Act compliance has been approved and published and good progress has been made against the equality and diversity plan in that. Errm, we’re actually into the third year and as you can see again that we have equality excellence across that framework.

And then this report we’re in 4.3, errm this is the delivery of the fullness of that to continue to have a robust strategy in place to reduce the risk at a Corporate [indiscernible – accent] planning processes that are currently adopted by the Authority.

And again, err just in relation to risk 4.5, errm despite reductions in the number of staff in the Corporate Communications team, errm we’re still delivering

[6:00]

a high level of service in that regard, so, I’m happy to take any questions Chair and Members about the documentation itself. The Risk Register’s itself attached at Appendix A of the report.

CLLR DAVE HANRATTY (CHAIR): OK, thanks, thanks for that, excellent, any questions or comments from Members? No? Are we happy to approve the report?

VARIOUS COUNCILLORS: Agreed.

[Agenda item 4 Wirral Fire Cover Consultation Outcomes 6:22]

CLLR DAVE HANRATTY (CHAIR): Errm, item number 4 is the consultation outcomes of the proposed merger in Wirral err of Upton and West Kirby.

DAN STEPHENS (CHIEF FIRE OFFICER, MERSEYSIDE FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICE): Thanks Chair. The purpose of this report is to inform Members of the outcomes of the twelve-week public consultation process over the proposal to merger the existing fire stations at Upton and West Kirby at a new station in err, what was the library and childrens’ centre site on Frankby Road in Greasby. That would be as an alternative to the outright closure of West Kirby Fire Station.

[7:00]

Members will recall approving the proposal subject to the outcomes of the public consultation at the Authority meeting on the 2nd of October last year. At the same meeting, the Members approved a detailed consultation process that mirrored that which we had undertaken in Knowsley over the last summer which related to the proposal to close Huyton and Whiston and build a new station at Prescot and that proposal was subsequently approved by Members at the meeting on the 2nd of October. A total of four public meetings, three focus groups, one stakeholder meeting, one panel (a Wirral Deliberative Forum) and numerous meetings with individual interested parties were handled over the twelve week period.

Those details, details of those meetings are listed in paragraphs eighteen to twenty-four on pages thirty-one

[8:00]

and thirty-two. A summary of the outcomes is listed at paragraphs six to twelve on page thirty, with a detailed breakdown on an event by event basis in paragraphs twenty-five to fifty-one which runs from pages thirty-two to thirty-eight which is supplemented by reports on the questionnaire and focus group which are at appendices C and D which run from pages fifty-nine through to ninety-nine.

Just to draw out specifically paragraphs forty-seven through forty-nine detailing the extensive correspondence which resulted from the process and also the details of the Freedom of Information requests that were received. Appendix E on pages a hundred and one to a hundred and twenty-two contains a summary of the questions that were asked during the public meetings and the stakeholder engagement err meeting along with my responses to those questions.

[9:00]

I am conscious that there is a significant am