Posted by: John Brace | 22 April 2015

Saughall Massie residents express their opposition to fire station plans at first consultation meeting

Saughall Massie residents express their opposition to fire station plans at first consultation meeting

Dan Stephens (Chief Fire Officer) answers questions at a public consultation meeting in Saughall Massie to discuss proposals for a new fire station (20th April 2015)

Dan Stephens (Chief Fire Officer) answers questions at a public consultation meeting in Saughall Massie to discuss proposals for a new fire station (20th April 2015)

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Merseyside Fire & Rescue Service consultation meeting Saughall Massie 20th April 2015 Playlist of all parts 1-4

A consultation meeting in Saughall Massie to hear from the public on a proposed new fire station in Saughall Massie Road started badly when over a hundred people who came to the meeting were turned away from the St Marys Centre because the meeting was full. Despite repeated requests at the start of the meeting by a local councillor for a further meeting in Saughall Massie, Dan Stephens (Chief Fire Officer) refused to commit himself to a further public meeting however did say it was something he would “carefully consider”.

The Chief Fire Officer explained that if Upton and West Kirby fire stations were closed, then in his view (although people didn’t have to agree with him) a new fire station would be needed near the midpoint of the two existing fire stations. If a new fire station wasn’t built in Saughall Massie and only West Kirby fire station was closed, then it would lead to an increase in response times to the former West Kirby station area. He made it clear that after the consultation was finished the final decision on what happens next would be taken by the Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority, who would have to consider public safety and response times. The views expressed at the public consultation meetings would be reported back to the Fire Authority.

The first person who asked a question felt that gridlock in the roads around Saughall Massie at certain times and narrow roads would lead to an increase in response times if a new fire station was built in Saughall Massie. The Chief Fire Officer responded that he felt the traffic conditions “were no worse than they are anywhere else on Merseyside”.

Continuing with his question the same person pointed out that twice a day the road from Saughall Massie to West Kirby was blocked by cattle being moved between fields. He suggested that they look for brownfield sites instead.

The Chief Fire Officer explained that they didn’t have compulsory purchase powers and that as they’d already been through a consultation on Greasby that the matters needed to be resolved. He said that if West Kirby fire station was closed and Upton kept open, then the fire engines (from Upton) would need to travel down the same roads to the West Kirby area.

Another member of the public pointed out that the number of incidents responded to by the fire service was falling year on year. She asked if Upton fire station could be used for less callouts?

Dan Stephens replied that it wasn’t the number of incidents that was important but the type of the incident. There were 26,000 people living in the West Kirby station area, therefore “it’s an absolute certainty we will have another domestic property fire”. In his view it didn’t matter that the total number of incidents were going down, but as long as people lived there, there would be incidents. He said, “It’s about run times, not numbers of incidents.”

The next person to ask a question pointed out that the map showing response times of Saughall Massie versus Upton showed that from Upton, an over 10 minute response time would be mainly to fields and a golf course. Replying to his point, the Chief Fire Officer said that there was still a good proportion that was an 8 to 9 minute response time compared to only 6 to 7 minutes from Saughall Massie.

A resident of Saughall Massie said that she wasn’t in agreement with a new fire station in Saughall Massie and that “if you feel that that’s the best place you have to prove it to everybody”. Dan Stephens replied that they couldn’t afford two fire stations, but could only have one. That one fire station would have to be in the middle.

The next question was from the secretary of the Saughall Massie Conservation Area Society. He said he was not going to talk about conservation or greenbelt, but response. His question was if BRVs (brigade response vehicles) would be considered? The Chief Fire Officer explained that the brigade response vehicles weren’t of much use in responding to a domestic property fire or a road traffic collision. He pointed out that West Midlands Fire and Rescue Authority could afford BRVs, but Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority couldn’t. BRVs were for antisocial small fires, but would have to be manned by three extra people that they couldn’t afford.

A further question asked was why couldn’t the council tax that pays for the fire service on Merseyside be increased by £5? The answer given was that to do that would require a referendum which would cost an estimated £2 million.

The Chief Fire Officer was then asked if he would consider other options such as BRVs? He said he would not consider them as they “give me absolutely nothing in terms of operational response” and that he would be “paying for an asset that gave me absolutely nothing”.

The next woman referred to a petition about the closure of West Kirby fire station and speculation about plans for a multi-storey shopping centre there. Dan Stephens said that there had been no consideration of the disposal of the site at West Kirby because no decision had yet been made to close it. The same woman referred to the “Greater Concourse plan”. David Armstrong (Assistant Chief Executive, Wirral Council) said that “there are no current plans for anything at the West Kirby site”.

You can watch what was asked in the rest of the meeting on Youtube. Details of how to respond to the consultation are here. The consultation closes on the 18th May 2015.

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  2. G’day John

    A word of warning to Ecca aka “Spotty Dog”…..

    INS

    “The Dunny Chain Wearer”
    “Phil the Dill”
    “The Pretend Friend”
    “Phil the Dills ugly twin brother with the comb over from Hell”
    “Crabapple”
    “The Raving Loony”

    “The Shyster”
    “The Football Shirt”
    “Humpty Dumpty”
    “He who can talk for twenty minutes without breathing or saying anything”
    “The Chamber Potty”
    “The Garbage Lady”

    This dross has been there through it all…

    OUTS

    Norman
    Wilkie
    Coleman
    Etc etc………………….

    Ecca time to get rid of the INS (Ingrained naughty shi**)

    Ooroo

    James

    Vote for Simon Kelly Lib Dem get rid of anyone who has been there over five years.

  3. G’day John

    What do you think is the reason for the delay?

    It was only finished over 13 months ago.

    From: Anna Canning
    Department for Communities and Local Government

    17 April 2015

    Our reference: 768042 Information request

    Dear Mr Hobro

    I am writing to apologise for the significant delay in responding to your
    request for a copy of the investigation report in to the abuse of the
    Intensive Start Up Scheme. I am currently reviewing the information we
    hold and will endeavour to get a response to you as soon as I can. I
    appreciate you should have received a response by now and am sorry for any
    inconvenience caused.

    I have informed the Information Commissioner of our position in responding
    to this request.

    Yours sincerely

    Anna Canning

    John, can you ask Ecca if you are in the Wirral tip today.

    Keep up the great work.

    Ooroo

    James

  4. G’day John

    If you are in the Wallasey dump today could you also ask Ecca about this FOI as well?

    ORIGINAL BIG REPORT

    20 August 2014

    Dear Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council,

    Mrs Lyons emailed myself this week the unredacted paragraph J of
    the Timmins review. See also the Agenda supplement of the Audit and
    Risk Committee of 22 July 2014. page 48.

    I quote the paragraph

    “There is on file a previous, and much more detailed, draft report
    which includes numerous evidential appendices.

    …….

    However for the avoidance of doubt I would not consider that this
    report could be released into the public domain, and has, in any
    case, been superseded.”

    This review was conducted in autumn 2012. The D Garry report and
    ,now, the Grant Thornton reports have entered the public domain.
    The Grant Thornton report contradicts the D Garry report.

    I believe that this original evidenced file is the work of an
    employee who left Counter Fraud in January 2012, that it is a true
    representation of the facts in the BIG case and that it would
    directly highlight malpractice and subversion by Mr Garry. Mr Garry
    at the November 2011 whistleblower meeting re BIG was merely the
    note-taker and the employee who left January 2012 was leading the
    investigation, posing the questions whilst Mr Garry remained
    silent.

    ask you for a suitably redacted copy of the file referenced in
    the quote from the Timmins review.

    Yours faithfully,

    nigel hobro

    I sense John that if Ecca doesn’t do the right thing with BIg, ISUS and Working Neighbourhoods he will be “retired” sooner rather than later.

    Ooroo

    James

    Ps Is there

    “There is on file a previous, and much more detailed, draft report
    which includes numerous evidential appendices.

    Or, isn’t there?

    You decide!

    They can’t!

    Liars liars pants on fire.

  5. G’day John

    If you haven’t gone to Ecca’s garbage tip you might also ask him about this pack of lies as well.

    LOCKWOOD ENGINEERING LTD LIQUIDATED

    nigel hobro left an annotation ( 4 February 2015)

    this has indeed gone to the Information Commissioner. It would simply for the 4 months it took to perform the internal review let alone anything other.

    Link to this

    nigel hobro left an annotation (23 February 2015)

    I suggest you re-read page 11 of the Internal audit report prepared by D Garry chief Internal auditor on the BIG project

    Invest Wirral told the auditor they had recorded minutes and continued contact with Harbac (dissolved) the successor company to Lockwood (dissolved).He records this on page 11 of the minutes to ARMC of 8th October 2014

    That would mean WBC have deliberately destroyed these minutes or that it is lying.

    This has returned to Information Commissioner and will proceed to the Local Government Ombudsman

    Link to this

    nigel hobro left an annotation (23 February 2015)

    from D garry’s report page 11 (I have inserted the company names as being liquidated so no longer needing redaction)