Council (Wirral Council) 12/12/2011 Part 3 Agenda Item 2 (Declarations of Interest)

Agenda Item 2: Declarations of Interest Cllr Bill Davies asked a question of Bill Norman for advice on whether councillors had to declare trade union membership as an interest and if so what type. Bill Norman said in his opinion, it was a personal interest, (and therefore needed to be declared) unless it affected a … Continue reading “Council (Wirral Council) 12/12/2011 Part 3 Agenda Item 2 (Declarations of Interest)”

Agenda Item 2: Declarations of Interest

Cllr Bill Davies asked a question of Bill Norman for advice on whether councillors had to declare trade union membership as an interest and if so what type.

Bill Norman said in his opinion, it was a personal interest, (and therefore needed to be declared) unless it affected a councillor’s decision-making of deciding the public interest in such a significant way, that it became a prejudicial interest. If it became the latter the councillor would have to declare it as a prejudicial interest.

Various interests were then declared by councillors including:-

Cllr Steve Foulkes said something about safety and press inference. He declared an interest in Notice of Motion 14 (FAIRNESS, NOT FAVOURS) because of his membership of USDAW.
Cllr Phil Davies declared an interest in Notice of Motion 14 (FAIRNESS, NOT FAVOURS) because of his membership of UNISON.
??? declared declared an interest in ??? because of his/her membership of UNISON.
Cllr George Davies declared an interest in ??? with respect to ???.
Cllr Ann McLachlan declared an interest in Notice of Motion 14 (FAIRNESS, NOT FAVOURS) with respect to her membership of UNITE.
Cllr Brian Kenny declared an interest in Notice of Motion 14 (FAIRNESS, NOT FAVOURS) because of membership of UNISON.
Cllr ????, declared an interest in Notice of Motion 14 (FAIRNESS, NOT FAVOURS) because of membership of UNITE and UNISON.
Cllr Adrian Jones declared an interest in Notice of Motion 14 (FAIRNESS, NOT FAVOURS) because of membership of two trade unions.
Cllr Jeff Green declared an interest in Notice of Motion 14 (FAIRNESS, NOT FAVOURS) because of membership of PROSPECT.
Cllr ?? declared an interest in Notice of Motion 14 (FAIRNESS, NOT FAVOURS) because of membership of EQUITY.
Cllr Ian Lewis declared an interest.
Cllr Paul Doughty declared an interest in Notice of Motion 14 (FAIRNESS, NOT FAVOURS) with respect to his trade union membership.
Cllr Pat Glasman declared an interest.
Cllr ??? declared an interest in Notice of Motion 14 (FAIRNESS, NOT FAVOURS) because of his/her membership of UNISON.
Cllr Bernie Mooney declared an interest in Notice of Motion 14 (FAIRNESS, NOT FAVOURS) because of her membership of UNITE.
Cllr John Salter, declared an interest/s because of ???
Cllr Lesley Rennie, declared a personal interest in Notice of Motion 16 (CUTS TO LOCAL TRANSPORT PLAN) due to her membership of Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority.
Cllr Ian Lewis, declared an interest/s because of….
Cllr Sheila Clarke declared an interest/s because of…
Cllr ?? declared an interest in Notice of Motion 14 (FAIRNESS, NOT FAVOURS) because of their membership of UNISON.

There may have been other declarations of interest, but unfortunately the pen I was using was running out and from where I was sitting in the Council Chamber behind the Labour councillors also very difficult to hear those councillors who were far away.

Council (Wirral Council) 12/12/2011 Part 4 Agenda Item 3 (Petitions), Agenda Item 4 (Minutes), Agenda Item 5 (Leader’s Announcements)

Council (Wirral Council) 12/12/2011 Part 1

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>> John Brace There has been much public interest in the (as yet unpublished) AKA (Anna Klonowksi Associates Ltd) report into issues that need to be remedied at Wirral Council.

My personal view is that Wirral Council needs to publish the report, reassure the public what it’s doing differently now and restore its tarnished reputation as a result of the events that led to the report being commissioned.

Please could you answer:

a) what date the report will be published on and whether changes are to be made between the draft version and final version (if so the reasons why) and

b) an update on changes and decisions made since the report, as a result of the report becoming available in draft form, including progress (which includes consultation) already made and how the changes will benefit Wirral Council, its staff, its councillors and the public?

>> Cllr Steve Foulkes [sighs] What a surprise seeing you here John! [laughter]

Well, can I just thank you for your question? And, and this is a genuine genuine answer, errm which will be backed up by a errm official statement which has been circulated to all elected Members and it is a public document so I’m more than happy for you to have a copy of that. If you haven’t got it yet you’ll receive it very, very shortly.

As long as I’ve been Leader, I’ve been pressing both Anna Klonowski and the officers [inaudible] of the long awaited report. It’s not in this Council’s interests [inaudible] drag out any longer.

But it is in the Council’s interests is that procedure is done properly and within err natural justice and err you know protection for the Council’s future err prospects and liabilities. Currently err Miss Klonowski and her independent solicitors are conducting a Right to Reply process. The purpose of this and its current state of progress is fully explained in the Director of Law’s advice note which has been circulated to all councillors. Like I just said a copy is on its way to you immediately.

I cannot you know give a specific date for publication of the final report but I give you my assurance that I will do all I can to make this soon and as and as reasonably possible. It’s not in this Council’s best interests to drag on. We want the department to move forward. We want the Council to move forward.

What we have done though in terms of of what reports are available. We’ve insisted that the corporate governance issues are up and running, and they are believed to be at the stem of some of the issues in the other report. I can’t say any further than that.

So I can’t you know. It would be wrong to me to tell you lies, or or or to pretend I’m, but at this point of time I cannot given that the Director’s advice note. I believe we’ll say it’s inappropriate to publish that report.

If we are true to our word that you know whistleblowers should be protected and are important within our Council’s processes, then therefore anyone involved in the whistleblower process should have the same rights as the whistleblower. My view is that individuals have the Right to Reply, have the right for natural justice.

I don’t believe that we should hurry justice just for the sake of of of of err public you know clamour. If the report is correct, and final replies then we in public cannot in full conscience cannot act upon it. It’s not at that state yet and that’s not through any fault or mine.

>>The Worshipful the Mayor of the Metropolitan Borough of Wirral and Rock Ferry Councillor Moira McLaughlin OK, Mr. Brace, content with that?

>>John Brace Just one small supplementary.

>>The Worshipful the Mayor of the Metropolitan Borough of Wirral and Rock Ferry Councillor Moira McLaughlin Supplementary [inaudible] understand that.

>>John Brace Yes, err can you give an approximate timescale, in the Spring of next year or you know something like that?

>> The Worshipful the Mayor of the Metropolitan Borough of Wirral and Rock Ferry Councillor Moira McLaughlin I think he has answered that Mr. Brace to be fair.

>> Cllr Steve Foulkes I would would hope, I would hope it’s as soon as possible.

I’ve not been given an exact date.

But I have been informed, and as we’ve all been informed, that progress has been made on the Right to Reply. Err, there are some late Right to Reply issues come in come into the system as [inaudible]ed in Bill’s report. Everything around this issue is within the report of the Director of Law and I think that once you will read that you will understand [inaudible] difficult position he got in this type of report.

As I say it’s not in the Council’s interests, or my interests or anybody’s interest for that report to be delayed any longer than it need be. Because quite frankly people need to move on, the Authority needs to move on and rights need to err err wrongs need to be put right, and I’m interested in that happening. But, I can’t give you an exact date. I’m not going to give out [inaudible].

>> John Brace Ok, thank you.

>> The Worshipful the Mayor of the Metropolitan Borough of Wirral and Rock Ferry Councillor Moira McLaughlin Thanks.

>> Cllr Jeff Green Supplementary to that conversation.

EXCLUSIVE: Bill Norman (Borough Solicitor)’s advice to councillors on publication of Anna Klonowski Associate’s report

from: Norman, Bill D. billnorman@wirral.gov.uk
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date: 12 December 2011 16:10
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Dear Mr Brace

Thank you for your email and Question to which the Leader will respond tonight.

Please find attached a copy of my advice to Members on the subject of publishing Ms Klonowski’s draft report.

Regards

Bill

Bill Norman
Director of Law, HR and Asset Management
Wirral Council

Tel: 0151 691 8498
billnorman@wirral.gov.uk

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From: John Brace [mailto:john.brace@gmail.com]
Sent: 01 December 2011 15:15
To: Norman, Bill D.
Cc: Foulkes, Steve (Councillor); McLaughlin, Moira (Councillor)

Subject: question for full Council (12th December)

Dear Bill Norman, Cllr Steve Foulkes & The Worshipful the Mayor of the Metropolitan Borough of Wirral and Rock Ferry Councillor Moira McLaughlin,

I have a question for the Chair of the Corporate Governance Committee/Cabinet Member for Finance & Best Value Cllr Steve Foulkes:-

There has been much public interest in the (as yet unpublished) AKA (Anna Klonowksi Associates Ltd) report into issues that need to be remedied at Wirral Council. My personal view is that Wirral Council needs to publish the report, reassure the public what it’s doing differently now and restore its tarnished reputation as a result of the events that led to the report being commissioned.

Please could you answer:

a) what date the report will be published on and whether changes are to be made between the draft version and final version (if so the reasons why) and
b) an update on changes and decisions made since the report, as a result of the report becoming available in draft form, including progress (which includes consultation) already made and how the changes will benefit Wirral Council, its staff, its councillors and the public?

John Brace


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Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:45:51 -0000
Subject: Legal Advice on the Possible Publication of Anna Klonowski’s Preliminary Draft Report

Dear Councillors

I am emailing you to set out my legal advice on the question of publishing AK’s preliminary draft report, as such action is called for in a Notice of Motion to be considered at tonight’s Council meeting.  I have also had the opportunity to receive from Anna Klonowski (‘AK’) an update as to her progression of the Right to Reply (‘R2R’) process.  This is set out in bold italics towards the end of this email.

Only a very small number of people have received a preliminary draft of AK’s report.  However, all persons receiving it did so on the strict understanding that that was a preliminary draft; that it was subject to strict confidentiality; and that no one could disclose the contents of the report until the R2R process is complete.  All recipients of the draft report (including me) signed undertakings to this effect.

The R2R process is in place to ensure that, before AK’s report is finalised, those criticised in the preliminary draft are given a fair opportunity to respond and to have their representations fairly reflected in the final version.  This principle of fairness is a fundamental tenet of Natural Justice.  Both AK, as the author of the report, and the Council, as the commissioning public body, have a duty to all people impacted by the report to ensure that it is as fair and accurate as can reasonably be achieved. Publication of the preliminary draft report would subvert the R2R process and is likely to deny Natural Justice to the people impacted by the report.

You will see from AK’s comments below that some of the R2R submissions will require her to change some of the facts and, possibly, her conclusions as set out in the preliminary draft report; or to add further information to ‘more accurately reflect the balance of opinions amongst the parties’.  As a result, the preliminary draft report, today, cannot be described as a comprehensive, wholly accurate, up-to-date, or fully balanced statement of AK’s views.

It has been suggested to me that the continuing delay in finalising the report might seriously prejudice one or more third parties. I have discussed this suggestion of possible prejudice, with the Acting Director of Adult Social Services (who has also read the draft report).  The Acting Director of Adult Social Services has informed me that he has no grounds for believing that any third party is being seriously  prejudiced as a result of the AKA Report being delayed by the R2R process.

 

Given the extent to which a number of persons criticised in the preliminary draft report have engaged with the R2R process, the publication of a now out-of-date preliminary draft of AK’s report would be highly likely to make those persons (in particular) much more inclined to take legal action against the Council.  In my view, to publish the draft report would be unreasonable and would contravene the legitimate expectations of those invited to participate in the R2R process: namely that the process would be conducted in good faith to a conclusion, prior to any publication.

In my view, the publication of a now out-of-date preliminary draft of AK’s report would be highly likely to provoke immediate legal action to restrain the Council from publishing (i.e. an injunction).

Moreover, given that the preliminary draft report cannot be described today as a comprehensive, wholly accurate, up-to-date, or fully balanced statement of AK’s views, it is much more likely, if the preliminary draft report is published, that the Council will face legal claims by those criticised in the draft report (for damages for defamation).

Having said all this, I fully recognise that there is obvious Member and public interest in bringing this matter to a conclusion as soon as possible: but that should not be at the cost of subverting the entirely proper R2R process.

Finally, I need to make clear that, if Council were to ‘call on’ the Leader to publish the preliminary draft report, the decision whether to publish or not would still be an executive decision for the Leader.  Council cannot ‘instruct’ the Leader to publish, it may merely ‘request’ (or ‘call for’) such action.  If, notwithstanding my advice, a majority of Members at Council were to ‘call on’ the Leader to publish the preliminary draft report, my unequivocal advice would remain that it should not be published, for the reasons stated above.

Set out below is AK’s update as to progress with the R2R process.  In my opinion this clearly demonstrates that the R2R process is being conducted robustly and in a timely manner.

I can confirm that the Right to Reply process has progressed well and has been worthwhile in testing the conclusions I have reached and seeing whether those criticised can raise any evidence to make me re-consider any of my conclusions.  I have ensured that people have had sufficient time to respond and have given people more time when necessary without allowing them to abuse the process by delaying it without good cause. 

 

As a result of the process, one additional family has come forward and asked for their views to be taken into account and, representatives of some of the organisations subject to the R2R have been interviewed. The notes of some of these meetings have/are being considered with one individual undergoing an operation and the family concerned specifically requesting more time. I have therefore had to allow them until 14th December 2012 for the return of their meeting notes.

 

In addition, it should be noted that a significant amount of additional information was supplied by one of the R2R subjects and, unexpectedly an individual associated with one of the R2R subjects has come forward. Having sought legal advice, I am arranging a meeting and to take a statement.

 

I have already identified that some of the R2R submissions will in some regards require me to change some of the facts and possibly conclusions contained within my preliminary draft report or, add further information which will more accurately reflect the balance of opinions amongst the parties. There are also some points that have been raised by the R2R submissions that need to be put to either Mr Morton or other people/organisations which are the subject of the review. After seeking legal advice, there are instances where before forwarding the documents and/or drafting further questions based upon those R2R submissions I have asked certain persons/organisations to consider whether they should seek independent legal advice before authorising me to rely on those comments as they could give rise to a claim of defamation if the statements are viewed as not being true against the individual and/or organisation submitting the R2R response.

 

As the Council and I have agreed previously, the Right to Reply process is in place to ensure that those I have criticised are given a fair opportunity to respond before the report is finalised.  It does not mean that interested parties are able to see the draft report.  If draft conclusions are published to interested parties then this would undermine the whole concept of the Right to Reply process which ensures that due process is followed before the report is finalised. 

 

I have established in the reports I have already submitted that I will make strong criticism and comments where I feel it is appropriate.  I should emphasise that the Right to Reply process is in no way intended as an opportunity to soften my report.  It simply enables me to make robust conclusions after following due process.  I will consider all the evidence put before me, including that evidence submitted by those criticised, and only if necessary will I alter my report where further evidence justifies such a change.

If any of the above is unclear, or if you believe that I have misunderstood any matters, please let me know as soon as possible.

This advice may be shared with others, if you so wish.

Regards

Bill

Bill Norman

Director of Law, HR and Asset Management

Wirral Council

Tel: 0151 691 8498

billnorman@wirral.gov.uk
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Cabinet (Wirral Council) 24th November 2011 Declarations of Interest Part 1

Present:
Cllr Steve Foulkes (Chair) (Finance and Best Value)
Cllr Chris Meaden (Culture, Tourism and Leisure)
Cllr Harry Smith (Streetscene & Transport Services)
Cllr Ann McLachlan (Children’s Services & Lifelong Learning)
Cllr Anne McArdle (Social Care & Inclusion)
Cllr Jean Stapleton (Community & Customer Engagement)
Cllr Adrian Jones (Corporate Resources)
Cllr Phil Davies (Regeneration & Planning Strategy)
Cllr George Davies (Housing & Community Safety)
Cllr Brian Kenny (Environment)

Cllr Steve Foulkes started the meeting at 6.15pm saying he was going to take three items of Any Other Business first as they were urgent. He was pre-warning people. He wanted a verbal update on the one day strike. Cllr George Davies had an announcement to make on housing funding and he wanted a quick verbal on issues about gas supplies in Leasowe and Moreton East, as well as a further future report on the lessons learnt.

Cllr Jeff Green said there was speculation surrounding the Serious Fraud Office investigation.
Cllr Steve Foulkes said he had not been informed that the situation had changed, although he was aware of some things.

He asked for declarations of interest.

Cllr Phil Davies declared an interest in item 12 as he was a trustee of the Wirral Food bank, however as he was not a Council appointed trustee, he asked Bill Norman for advice as to whether the interest was personal or prejudicial.
Bill Norman replied that in his opinion it was personal, not prejudicial.
Cllr Chris Meaden declared an interest in item 5 (Annual Children’s Services Assessment 2011) because of her daughter’s employment.

Corporate Governance Committee 16/11/2011 (Wirral Council) Part 2 Work Program, Progress and Associated Issues

The committee considered item 3 Work Program, Progress and Associated Issues.

However Cllr Jeff Green went back to agenda item 2 (Minutes). He said as part of the minutes, the list of committee meetings was not agreed.

Bill Norman said there had been some confusion in the briefing. There had been discussion with each political group’s officers. The briefing had been done before the agenda [for this meeting] was finalised, so the schedule in Appendix 8 was different to the list. The minutes [of the meeting held on the 26th October 2011] reflected the previous list and he noted the revision.

Cllr Jeff Green said that they had been told he couldn’t make it and that his non-availability had been made known.

Cllr Steve Foulkes said there was no set of dates they could all attend.

Bill Norman said about the confusion in the briefings, they had tried to find out everyone’s availability but timescales were stretched. He apologised for the confusion.

Cllr Steve Foulkes joked that he wouldn’t do Christmas Day, but he would “do Boxing Day”.

Cllr Tom Harney said that the primary aim of this committee was not discussions, there were major decisions of Cabinet and they had to make some progress and look at it as if they were a statutory committee.

Cllr Steve Foulkes said they needed to make decisions, not make recommendations to Cabinet.

Jim Wilkie mentioned that because of Wirral Council’s constitution some decisions had to made by a meeting of all councillors.

Cllr Tom Harney said that they needed to look at how to alter decision-making.