What’s in Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service’s planning application for a new fire station in Saughall Massie?
What’s in Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service’s planning application for a new fire station in Saughall Massie?
Dan Stephens (Chief Fire Officer) answers questions at a public consultation meeting in Saughall Massie to discuss proposals for a new fire station
The planning application for a new fire station in Saughall Massie has been made to Wirral Council by Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service.
The application number is APP/16/00985 and the description is, "A single storey two bay community fire station incorporating operational and welfare accommodation, offices and meeting space, external drill and training facilities and associated car-parking." at "land adjacent to SAUGHALL MASSIE ROAD, SAUGHALL MASSIE" .
The planning application form for this is 9 A4 pages long so I will summarise the details below. Further details are expected to be published on Wirral Council’s website in the near future.
You can make a comment supporting or objecting to this planning application on Wirral Council’s website which also contains the documents that are part of the planning application.
It is expected after a period of consultation with the public for the planning application to be decided by Wirral Council’s Planning Committee in October 2016.
1. Applicant Name, Address and Contact Details
Mr Colin Schofield
Merseyside Fire & Rescue Service
Merseyside FRS HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
2. Agent Name, Address and Contact Details
Mrs Dawn Coward
Ryder Architecture
Innovation Centre
131 Mount Pleasant
Liverpool
United Kingdom
L3 5TF
A single storey two bay community fire station incorporating operational and welfare accommodation, offices and meeting space, external drill and training facilities and associated car-parking.
Has the building, work or change of use already started? No.
4. Site Address Details
Land of Saughall Massie Road
Saughall Massie
Upton
Wirral
Easting 325469
Northing 388515
5. Pre-application advice
Has assistance or prior advice been sought from the local authority about this application? Yes
Officer name:
Mrs Sheila Day
Department of Regeneration and Planning
04/11/2015
Details of the pre-application advice received:
Following request for pre-application advice and meetings with planning case officer and colleagues, a detailed response was received and covered the following:
– Advice on scale, massing and positioning of the building.
– Advice on landscaping
– Advice on highway interfaces and parking
– Review of ground investigation.
– Request for further particulars that justified the location of the fire station and evidence of community consultation
– Request for details of training procedures and frequency
6. Pedestrian and Vehicle Access, Roads and Rights of Way
Is a new or altered vehicle access proposed to or from the public highway? Yes
Is a new or altered pedestrian access proposed to or from the public highway? Yes
Are there any new public roads to be provided within the site? No
Are there any new public rights of way to be provided within or adjacent to the site? No
Do the proposals require any diversions/extinguishments and/or creation of rights of way? No
If you answered Yes to any of the above questions, please show details on your plan/drawings and state the reference of the plan(s)/drawings(s)
Short description of Other Fire appliances (note: within appliance bay)
11. Foul Sewage
Please state how foul sewage is to be disposed of:
Mains sewer
Are you proposing to connect to the existing drainage system? Yes
If Yes, please include the details of the existing system on the application drawings and state references for the plan(s)/drawing(s):
28042 Drainage Assessment and Strategy REV 01.pdf
12. Assessment of Flood Risk
Is the site within an area at risk of flooding? No
Is your proposal within 20 metres of a watercourse (e.g. river, stream or beck)? No
Will the proposal increase the flood risk elsewhere? No.
How will surface water be disposed of? Sustainable drainage system Main sewer
13. Biodiversity and Geological Conservation
Is there a reasonable likelihood of the following being affected adversely or conserved and enhanced within the application site, OR on land to or near the application site:
a) Protected and priority species
No
b) Designated sites, important habitats or other biodiversity features
No
c) Features of geological conservation importance
Yes, on land adjacent to or near the proposed development
14. Existing Use
Please describe the current use of the site:
Vacant land
Is the site current vacant? Yes
If Yes, please describe the last use of the site: Vacant grass land
Does the proposal involve any of the following? If yes , you will need to submit an appropriate contamination assessment with your application.
Land which is known to be contaminated? No
Land where contamination is suspected for all or part of the site? No
A proposed use that would be particularly vulnerable to the presence of contamination? No
15. Trees and Hedges
Are there any trees or hedges on the proposed development site? Yes
And/or: Are there trees or hedges on land adjacent to the proposed development site that could influence the development or might be important as part of the local landscape character? Yes
If Yes to either or both of the above, you may need to provide a full Tree Survey, at the discretion of your local planning authority. If a Tree Survey is required, this and the accompanying plan should be submitted alongside your application. Your local planning authority should make clear on its website what the survey should contain, in accordance with the current ‘BS5837: Trees in relation to design, demolition and construction – Recommendations’.
16. Trade Effluent
Does the proposal involve the need to dispose of trade effluents or waste? No
17. Residential Units
Does your proposal include the gain or loss of residential units? No
18. All Types of Development: Non-residential Floorspace
Does your proposal involve the loss, gain or change of use of non-residential floorspace? Yes
Total gross new internal floorspace proposed (including changes of use) (square metres) 737
Use Class/type of use: Other
19. Employment
If known, please complete the following information regarding employees:
Proposed employees 10 (full-time)
20. Hours of Opening
No Hours of Opening details were submitted for this application
21. Site Area
What is the site area? 4,950.00 sq. metres
22. Industrial or Commercial Processes and Machinery
Please describe the activities and processes which would be carried out on the site and the end products including paint, ventilation or air conditioning. Please include the type of machinery which may be installed on site:
Compressors for refilling and testing of breathing apparatus.
Hydraulic cutting devices for car cutting during road traffic collision simulation.
Is the proposal for a waste management development? No
23. Hazardous Substances
Is any hazardous waste involved in the proposal? No
24. Site Visit
Can the site be seen from a public road, public footpath, bridleway or other public land? Yes
If the planning authority needs to make an appointment to carry out a site visit, whom should they contact? (Please select only one)
The agent
25. Certificates (Certificate B)
Certificate of Ownership – Certificate B
Town and Country Planning (Development Management Procedure) (England) Order 2015 Certificate under Article 14
I certify/ The applicant certifies that I have/the applicant has given the requisite notice to everyone else (as listed below) who, on the day 21 days before the date of this application, was the owner (owner is a person with a freehold interest or leasehold interest with at least 7 years left to run) and/or agricultural tenant (“agricultural tenant” has the meaning given in section 65(8) of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990) of any part of the land or building to which this application relates.
Owner/Agricultural Tenant
Wirral Metropolitan Council
Brighton Street
Wallasey
CH44 8ED
15/7/2016
Mrs Dawn Coward
AGENT
15/7/2016
26. Declaration
I/we hereby apply for planning permission/consent as described in this form and the accompanying plans/drawings and additional information. I/we confirm that, to the best of my/our knowledge, any facts stated are true and accurate and any opinions given are the genuine opinions of the person(s) giving them.
15/7/2016
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Why are people objecting to the Hoylake Golf Resort plans?
Cllr Phil Davies at a recent Cabinet meeting
Regular readers of this blog will know that this blog has covered Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service’s efforts to find land for a new fire station first in the centre of Greasby and now on the outskirts of Saughall Massie. However, a much larger threat to Wirral’s greenbelt has received little media attention so far.
The plans for a Hoylake Golf Resort cover an area of 357 acres in the greenbelt. Wirral Council own about 189 acres which they lease to farmers. Hoylake Municipal Golf Course occupies a further 106 acres (which is also owned by Wirral Council). The remaining ~63 acres are owned by private landowners. These landowners have signed agreements with Wirral Council to sell their land if planning permission is granted for the Hoylake Golf Resort.
However the Open Championship came to Wirral in 2014 and went with no announcement. Instead a year later in 2015 Wirral Council announced that the Nicklaus Joint Venture Group had been awarded preferred developer status.
Commenting on the plans for a Hoylake Golf Resort local councillor Gerry Ellis stated, “As a concept, it’s a wonderful project that could bring much employment to the area and provide excellent new facilities for residents and visitors to enjoy. However, I see many problems ahead which are likely to slow down or even derail the development. Many objectors are already raising their concerns about loss of Green Belt, disturbances to wildlife, potential flooding problems and lots of other issues.
I’m keeping an open mind on it and waiting with interest to see the planning application and other detailed proposals of the developers which are due to be revealed within the next few months.”
Labour use casting vote to delay decision on Saughall Massie fire station land
Labour use casting vote to delay decision on Saughall Massie fire station land
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Cllr Chris Blakeley addressing Wirral Council Regeneration and Environment committee about a new fire station in Saughall Massie September 2015
Wirral Council’s Regeneration and Environment Committee meeting of the 15th September 2015 (Part 1 of 4) who discussed a notice of motion about a proposed new fire station in Saughall Massie
Now as you’re reading the same blog a week later you can read what happened next, in what’s rapidly becoming a saga. If you’ve written as much on this issue as I have, you’d find it’s become a saga longer than the epic poem Beowulf (but not as exciting). Bonus marks to those leaving comments if they can tell me who the Grendel character is in this matter. However literary references aside here’s what happened next.
Chair (Cllr Mike Sullivan, Labour): Thank you Councillor Blakeley. Is there any questions from any Members? No? No?
Cllr Steve Williams (Conservative spokesperson): Yeah, thanks Chair. As there are no questions regarding this, I’m happy to move that the three points I can only go along with to maintain the green belt, not to give, sell or lease the land and to remain to ask officers to continue to try and find an alternative solution which Councillor Blakeley’s has just said he believes that there is.
Sorry I’ll put the mike on. In view of that if I can move that the notice of motion be agreed in its entirety.
Chair (Cllr Mike Sullivan, Labour): Does anybody want to …, I’d just like to say that this is a planning issue and I think if it goes to Planning [Committee], I mean I’m not, am I correct to say that it hasn’t, there’s no plans been submitted yet to planning?
Cllr Steve Williams (Conservative spokesperson): Yeah if I can assist there Chair, yes the outcome may be a planning permission and there hasn’t been any application that we’re aware of yet but this Notice of Motion is as Cllr Blakeley said prior to that and we’re asking that these three issues be taken into place which doesn’t concern planning.
Chair (Cllr Mike Sullivan, Labour): OK Steve, I take that on board but what I’d like to suggest, just let me finish Chris and then you can come in, what I’d like to suggest is, that rather than have a Notice of Motion that Steve and Gerry has seconded, if we get the [Merseyside] Fire [& Rescue] Service to come and explain why they’ve identified this site, as opposed to any other site.
I don’t think it’s particularly fair that we have Councillor Blakeley’s, that side of the argument, without having the fire, somebody from the [Merseyside] Fire [& Rescue] Authority to come and explain their position.
Cllr Chris Blakeley: Why didn’t the Council invite them?
Chair (Cllr Mike Sullivan, Labour): Well hang on, I’ll take, if you can be quiet from the floor please Councillor Blakeley, err Chris? And then I’ll take Steve and then Dave.
Cllr Chris Spriggs (Labour): Thanks err Chair. I really want to concur with that, what I was going to suggest that there has been a, so called evidence brought forward there’s just been some emails that have been flipped through. Obviously, to be fair in this situation, I think it would be about having a conversation with the [Merseyside] Fire [& Rescue] Authority and getting to the bottom of some of the remarks that were made rather than going through to this Notice of Motion.
Chair (Cllr Mike Sullivan, Labour): Steve?
Cllr Steve Williams (Conservative spokesperson): Councillor, you did point before this. Bringing the [Merseyside] Fire [& Rescue] Service, had this been heard as a normal Notice of Motion in Council, it’s just this new constitutional method that we’re bringing it to here. The [Merseyside] Fire [& Rescue] Service wouldn’t be there. We’re not discussing with it, we’ve had the [Merseyside] Fire [& Rescue] Authority have had their meetings, this isn’t for that. This is purely for the three points, items one, two and three which I don’t believe the [Merseyside] Fire [& Rescue] Service can answer those three anyway.
Chair (Cllr Mike Sullivan, Labour): Dave?
Cllr Dave Mitchell (Lib Dem spokesperson): Err, thank you Chair. Apologies for being late, I was stuck in traffic outside Cammell Lairds for forty five minutes, very unfortunate, but I.. that way. I did intend to be here on time to talk through the previous minutes. Unfortunately I missed that.
All I can say is that at the present moment, like Councillor Spriggs, I need to find out more information because stuff comes to light through emails that have been released, you talk about land deals, swaps, all sorts of things. I need to know the background of all this information prior before I make any decision at all in relation to what’s here before us.
Chair (Cllr Mike Sullivan, Labour): Thanks Dave. Rob?
Cllr Rob Gregson (Labour councillor): Thanks Chair, I mean I’m just going to reiterate what was said by comments already made. We’re talking here about response times, we’re talking about a professional judgement and really whereas I do accept the arguments about green belt and the biodiversity of the area, you know and that’s a serious issue that I take seriously Chris as well and you know I’m pleased that you’ve raised that point here but at the same time we’re talking about an emergency service that has made a decision and I really feel that they should come to us and give us the information how they’ve reached that decision and chosen one site over another. Thank you Chair.
Chair (Cllr Mike Sullivan, Labour): John?
Chair (Cllr John Hale, Conservative): I’m about to say Chairman, that I’m absolutely surprised and amazed that there was a Notice of Motion that has been in existence now for some weeks coming before this Committee and now what someone has been unable to anticipate that there would be suggestions put forward and evidence put forward which would show that the wrong site had been chosen and that’s .. I’m absolutely amazed that nobody made any attempt to bring here tonight the fire officers from the Merseyside Fire Service and Authority which would’ve shortcutted all of this.
We’ve have had a vote which has been referred to us for a vote, a thing that we were denied at Council but it’s come here tonight and I’d certainly like an explanation if not from our fire officers but from the [Merseyside] Fire [&] Rescue Authority, that if you were aware of this why you weren’t here tonight? Because they are simply delaying the right of people to have this examined by the proper body!
Chair (Cllr Mike Sullivan, Labour): OK, thanks John I take that on board. So, can we delay the recommendation tonight and we can get the fire officer to come to our next meeting and tell us and maybe the process has moved on from there, there’s no planning application been sent in as yet, so it’s not time that we lack, I think it’s due diligence and we are, I agree with Rob, we are talking about life and death here, it is a very important emotive subject and taking on board the amount of people who attended the meetings and the hostility if you like but I would like to hear from the [Merseyside] Fire [& Rescue] Service before we send any recommendations through and we’re not pressured by time.
Cllr Chris Blakeley: Oh we are!
Cllr Adam Sykes (Conservative): Thank you Chair.
Member of the public: Sorry, Greasby was the original preferred site but that was withdrawn.
Chair (Cllr Mike Sullivan, Labour): Can I just say that this is a private meeting held in public and I would ask you not to interrupt please, just listen please?
Cllr Adam Sykes (Conservative): Thank you Chair. I think it’s importantly that we actually look at what’s being asked. I don’t think it’s beyond our remit to ask the Council to protect our green belt or to even to ask our officers to work with the [Merseyside] Fire [& Rescue] Authority. We’re asking them to go and deal with the [Merseyside] Fire [& Rescue] Authority, not for us to make the decision on behalf of the [Merseyside] Fire [& Rescue] Authority. We just want our council officers to go and do that on our behalf and I think that would be something that this Committee could decide tonight.
It’s not for us to decide whether the [Merseyside] Fire [& Rescue] Authority’s professional opinion is right or wrong, it’s just that we ask our officers to engage with them and ask them to think again, I think that’s what the spirit of the Notice of Motion is to ask them to take a look at the decision that they’ve taken and explore some alternatives and I think there’s no reason why we couldn’t make that decision without hearing the [Merseyside] Fire [& Rescue] Authority’s views in person.
Chair (Cllr Mike Sullivan, Labour): Thanks for that, this motion stands and it is the duty of this Committee to look at these things and make recommendations but as I’ve said before, I think it would be wise of this Committee as well as listening to what Councillor Blakleley had to say, to listen to what the [Merseyside] Fire [& Rescue] Authority have got to say and then we make a recommendation. Well it is the responsibility of this Committee to make recommendations and I think it would, it wouldn’t be in our interests or the general public’s interest, or the Council’s interest to make a decision when we’ve only heard one part of the argument.
Cllr Adam Sykes (Conservative): Sorry Chair, can I just come back on that? I don’t think …
Chair (Cllr Mike Sullivan, Labour): You can, but then I’m going to wrap it up.
Cllr Adam Sykes (Conservative): That’s fine, I don’t think I was saying that we’re not making a decision. I think what is in here this does not force a decision on the [Merseyside] Fire [& Rescue] Authority. It would still be for the [Merseyside] Fire [& Rescue] Authority to present their planning application. That was my point.
Chair (Cllr Mike Sullivan, Labour): Right well, I’m going to wrap it up now. If you want to make just a quick comment Gerry? If you’ve made a recommendation and you’ve seconded it we could have a vote on that.
Cllr Gerry Ellis (Conservative): Well I’m sure that there’s nothing in this resolution here that’s going to stop the process of going as it is. I would think that we should definitely support this resolution.
The voting was as follows.
For the resolution (5)
Cllr Gerry Ellis (Conservative) Cllr John Hale (Conservative) Cllr Tracey Pilgrim (Conservative) Cllr Adam Sykes (Conservative) Cllr Steve Williams (Conservative spokesperson)
Against the resolution (5)
Cllr Michael Sullivan (Labour Chair) Cllr Jerry Williams (Labour) Cllr Jim Crabtree (Labour) Cllr Rob Gregson (Labour) Cllr Chris Spriggs (Labour)
Abstentions
Cllr Dave Mitchell (Liberal Democrat spokesperson)
It was therefore a tied 5:5 vote (with one abstention).
The Labour Chair was asked to use his casting vote. He stated that they would invite the head of the Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service to the next meeting to listen to him before making a recommendation.
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Why did Councillor Blakeley ask councillors to block a fire station in Saughall Massie?
Why did Councillor Blakeley ask councillors to block a fire station in Saughall Massie?
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Wirral Council’s Regeneration and Environment Committee meeting of the 15th September 2015 (Part 1 of 4) who discussed a notice of motion about a proposed new fire station in Saughall Massie
Yesterday evening’s meeting of Wirral Council’s Regeneration and Environment Committee was well attended by members of the public.
There were also many councillors from the ruling Labour administration to see what was happening first hand.
Many members of the public were there to see what happened on a vote on whether the land at Saughall Massie (owned by Wirral Council) would be blocked from being gifted, leased or sold to Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service for a new fire station.
However let’s start at the beginning.
The sole Lib Dem councillor at the meeting was running late so the Committee started the meeting with just the Labour and Conservative councillors. The first item was declarations of interest.
Councillor Steve Nilbock (a Labour councillor) had to declare a prejudicial interest in the Saughall Massie fire station item as he’s a member of the Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority. This meant he had to leave the room during that item and not take part in the vote.
Councillor Anita Leech (a Labour councillor and Chair of the Planning Committee) also declared an interest in the Saughall Massie fire station item as although no planning application has yet been made she may have to make a decision on it in the future.
Councillor Jean Stapleton (a Labour councillor) had to declare a prejudicial interest in the Saughall Massie fire station item as she’s a member of the Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority. This meant she had to leave the room during that item and not take part in the vote.
So that was three Labour councillors that couldn’t vote (as they wouldn’t be in the room).
The Chair then announced he would be dealing with item 4 (proposal for a fire station on green belt land in Saughall Massie) first due to the large numbers of members of the public present.
Although he was reminded he had to first approve the minutes, he pointed out he hadn’t been at the last meeting so someone else would have to propose approval of the minutes.
At this point three Labour councillors (Councillors Niblock, Leech and Stapleton) had to leave the room (having each declared a prejudicial interest) and took no further part in the discussion or vote on the Saughall Massie fire station issue.
At this point the Lib Dem councillor on the Committee, Cllr Dave Mitchell arrived and apologised for being late.
Wirral Council – Regeneration and Environment Committee Policy and Performance Committee 15th September 2015 – Councillor Chris Blakeley in the foreground explains his notice of motion on the Saughall Massie fire station
The Conservative councillor for Moreton West and Saughall Massie, Cllr Chris Blakeley (in the foreground of the photo above) was then invited to introduce his notice of motion (which had been referred by the Mayor to this Committee at the Council meeting on the 6th July 2015).
Councillor Chris Blakeley (a Conservative councillor for Moreton West and Saughall Massie) said,
“Thank you Chairman, Members, I’ll try not to take up ten minutes, but I have to say it’s an improvement on Council which comes to only seven minutes! So if I do use the ten please forgive me but I will try and keep it as brief as I can.
Thank you Chairman and Members, first of all can I put on record my admiration for the work Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service do and make it clear that this Notice of Motion is not an attack on them. This is simply saying that while the Chief Fire Officer may believe the closure of Upton and West Kirby and building a new fire station on green belt land in Saughall Massie is his only option, the residents of Saughall Massie have made it very clear that they do not want their green belt developed with this or any other development.
As you will see on the Notice of Motion it states that there has been massive public opposition to this proposal which now has risen to over twelve hundred signatures and is growing daily. Also there’s opposition from Saughall Massie Village Area Conservation Society and the Wirral Society and the Chairman of the Saughall Massie Village Area Conservation Society is here tonight.
Sadly however, the proposal for a fire station at this location on our precious green belt appears to have the support of the Labour Party on the Wirral or at least its candidate in this year’s local election who made it very clear in his paperwork and his election address when he said in a leaflet, "I’ll be calling on the Fire Service to guarantee any design for the new fire station is sympathetic to the neighbourhood and will minimise disturbance to the residents of Saughall Massie."
Sadly this begs the question, has Wirral made up or already made up its mind and that’s very difficult to see?
Chairman and Members, the Chief Fire Officer says he has to have a site that is near to the midpoint of West Kirby and Upton as possible in order to give him the best response times.
On response times there’s a little bit of confusion there because at all the public meetings I went to the Chief Fire Officer said about response times and at other public meetings he said let’s not get hung up on response times. So I’m very concerned that the message that’s going from the Chief Fire Officer were to say the least mixed and confused and I don’t think anybody at any public meeting got the same words other than we need this fire station.
So it’s to give him what he says the best response times for West Wirral residents, the protection he believes is necessary.
Yet Chairman, for the last two years, West Kirby he says because these are his words has only been operational for 50% of the time and so he’s covering West Wirral from Upton without any problems and has been for the last two years!
In fact firefighters I talk to on the doorstep told me for all intents and purposes West Kirby Fire Station is not operational at all and of course what about the most at risk site if he moves from Upton which is Arrowe Park Hospital?
The response times to that vulnerable site will be extended, so why the need to move a mile at a cost of over £4 million?
Assuming the Chief Fire Officer is right and they need a new fire station for whatever reason, why does it have to be on our precious green belt? A green belt that has, kept by this Council, has historically defended to the hilt, green belt that according to the very eminent Doctor Hilary Ash, Honorary Conservation Officer for Wirral Wildlife and the Wirral ??? and Cheshire Trust who says the proposed site is used as foraging for barn owls who are nesting on the north side of Saughall Massie Road, who says that bats are feeding here, who says that kingfishers were reported here, who says that if some of the green belt is lost here it would affect these species of protected wildlife along the corridor along there.
Surely this Committee and Council do not want to be responsible for neglecting its biodiversity duties?
Moving on, it’s come to light there’s been an ongoing string of emails. I’d like to thank Mr. Brace for this, because he got all these emails and I will say a long string of emails as you can see. These are them here so thank you Mr. Brace for your tenacity in getting those emails.
The emails are between senior fire officers and senior council officers, including senior planning officers. Therefore it’s no wonder that local people perceive that this is a done deal!
Look Chairman, Members for the avoidance of doubt I’m not saying that there has been any deal at all, I’m simply expressing views said to me by many residents who I represent and given the evidence who can blame them?
One of those emails was from Kieran Timmins. He was Deputy Chief Executive, I hear he’s retiring, I don’t know whether he’s quite gone so I’ll refer to him as the current Deputy Chief Executive of Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service and Council.
Officers talked about sites that had been discounted and sites considered in more detail. According to Mr. Timmins’ email, six sites were considered in more detail, however according to him there were only two runners left. Saughall Massie bypass, which is not the green belt site currently proposed and the library community hub site in Greasby.
Now having had the Greasby site withdrawn by the Leader of the Council, one has to ask why the other frontrunner, their second choice of Saughall Massie bypass described by Mr. Timmins as owned by Wirral Council and looks quite positive based on recent correspondence, was not then turned to. Instead a brand new green belt site, that has never been in the mix previously.
This site which we’re talking about tonight, has never been in the mix until Greasby was withdrawn. Where and how did Council officers suddenly identify a brand new site?
And this isn’t a case of NIMBY [Not In My Back Yard]ism, the site in Saughall Massie Road at the bypass is still in the north-west of Saughall Massie ward. The site at Saughall Massie Road/Upton bypass, like the Greasby site is not in greenbelt and while it’s wooded I checked with Council officers, there are no tree preservation orders on any of the trees. In fact one senior Council officer said the site would already have its own perimeter buffer with the trees that are already in situ.
So Chairman and Members here is a Council owned site that is not in green belt, that is described by Mr Timmins as looking positive. So the Chief Fire Officer’s assertions that there are no alternative sites is clearly is incorrect.
Now I know that the Committee raised earlier this is something that Wirral Planning Committee should a planning application be submitted, however this Committee can act before that in sending a message to Council and the Fire and Rescue Service that this Committee recommends to Council that this Committee asks Council to retain the protection of its green belt, as set by the Authority to stop inappropriate development, ask Council not to give, sell or lease the land concerned at Saughall Massie because of the value it has to the community and ask Council to continue work to work cooperatively with Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service in identifying and facilitating a more suitable site, for operational purposes and to maintain the amenity of local people.
And in closing Chair I will just say that site is available. It’s six hundred metres from this site we’re discussing tonight, it will add nothing or very little to the response times the Chief Fire Officer has been quoting, maybe fifteen or twenty seconds either way. Fifteen or twenty seconds closer to Upton, fifteen or twenty seconds further away from West Kirby and Hoylake.
And one final thing Chairman, that wasn’t in my initial thing but, given the floods we had last week and the horrendous scenes we had in Moreton, with over a hundred families displaced, that field, that green belt, was also underwater from the brook.
By building on that field, you’re taking away natural drainage, you are assisting the freak weather conditions that are becoming more and more frequent to flood that area.
So Chairman I would ask that this Committee fully supports the Notice of Motion that was put forward to Council but moved to this Committee and sends those messages back to the Council.
Wirral Council planning on green belt fire station “there would be some planning policy issues”
Wirral Council planning on green belt fire station “there would be some planning policy issues”
Dan Stephens (Chief Fire Officer) answers questions at a public consultation meeting in Saughall Massie to discuss proposals for a new fire station (20th April 2015)
Continuing from Wednesday’s blog post headlined Wirral Council planning on green belt fire station “inappropriate development” & “potential for significant harm”, I thought people might be interested in more of the emails that went between Wirral Council and the Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service about the plans for a fire station in Wirral West as it seems that detailed discussions were going on behind the scenes both at officer level at Wirral Council & Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service, as well as discussions with councillors too.
Timmins, Kieran
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 29 April 2014 13:02 To: ‘Ball, David, S.’ Cc: Armstrong, David; Simpson, Tony Subject: RE: Greasby sites
Very helpful. Thank you all
No need to explore further at present
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
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From: Ball, David S Sent: 29 April 2014 12:58 To: Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David; Simpson, Tony Subject FW: Greasby sites
Kieran,
Here is the view on this site from my Forward Planning team. It seems that there would be some planning policy issues here but I can explore it further if you want me to.
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Entwhistle, John C. Sent: 29 April 2014 12:56 To: Ball, David S. Subject: RE: Greasby sites
David – the land on the opposite site of Frankby road to St John the Divine is in the Green Belt so a fire station would be inappropriate development and very special circumstances would have to be demonstrated. However there is potential for significant harm to the Green Belt in this location because of its role in maintaining separation between Greasby and Frankby.
John Entwistle Principal Forward Planning Officer,
Forward Planning,
Regeneration and Environment,
Wirral Council,
Town Hall, Brighton Street
Wallasey, Merseyside
CH44 8ED
Telephone: 0151 691 8221
email: johnentwistle@wirral.gov.uk
Fax: 0151 691 8273
Visit our website www.wirral.gov.uk
Please save paper and print out only what is necessary.
From: Ball, David S. Sent: 29 April 2014 12:19 To: Entwhistle, John C. Subject: FW: Greasby sites Importance: High
John,
Do we know anything about this site?
Would a fire station be an acceptable use?
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Timmins, Kieran [mailto:KieranTimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 29 April 2014 08:54 To: Ball, David S. Subject: Greasby sites
Hi David
Do you know anything about land sited on Frankby road opposite St John the divine church? Is that a possible fire station site?
Cheers
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
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From: Halpin, Colleen S. on behalf of Armstrong, David Sent: 07 May 2014 16:49 To: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Dear Kieran
Did Tony provide you with the contact for the Woodland Trust?
Any outstanding issues re us moving into Birkenhead Fire Station?
Regards
David Armstrong
Head of Universal Services CYPD
And Assistant Chief Executive
Colleen Halpin
PA to Director of Children’s Services
Children and Young People’s Department
Wirral Council
Tel: 0151 666 4288
Fax: 0151 666 4338
E-mail: colleenhalpin@wirral.gov.uk
www.wirral.gov.uk
From: Timmins, Kieran [mailto:KieranTimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 29 April 2014 06:36 To: Armstrong, David Subject: Greasby Sites
HI David
Can you send me your contact details for the woodland trust (did you have any joy with them?).
Many thanks
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
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From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 07 May 2014 17:53 To: Armstrong, David Cc: Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Hi David
Tony hasn’t had a chance to send details yet. Be grateful if you could follow up.
Colin, Can you update us on current position on Birkenhead.
Thanks
Kieran
Timmins, Kieran
From: Halpin, Colleen S. on behalf of Armstrong, David Sent: 07 May 2014 16:49 To: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Dear Kieran
Did Tony provide you with the contact for the Woodland Trust?
Any outstanding issues re us moving into Birkenhead Fire Station?
Regards
David Armstrong
Head of Universal Services CYPD
And Assistant Chief Executive
Colleen Halpin
PA to Director of Children’s Services
Children and Young People’s Department
Wirral Council
Tel: 0151 666 4288
Fax: 0151 666 4338
E-mail: colleenhalpin@wirral.gov.uk
www.wirral.gov.uk
From: Timmins, Kieran [mailto:KieranTimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 29 April 2014 06:36 To: Armstrong, David Subject: Greasby Sites
HI David
Can you send me your contact details for the woodland trust (did you have any joy with them?).
Many thanks
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
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From: Simpson, Tony Sent: 16 May 2014 11:37 To: Armstrong, David; Schofield, Colin, Timmins, Kieran Cc: Royle, Jeannette E. Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
DavidSmith@woodlandtrust.org.uk]
Regards
Tony
From:/B> Lloyd, Tina A. On Behalf Of Armstrong, David Sent: 15 May 2014 15:37 To: ‘Schofield, Colin’; Timmins, Kieran; Armstrong, David Cc: Simpson, Tony; Royle, Jeannette E. Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Re Birkenhead – I have now signed off a draft report for Cabinet Member approval ASAP. That should allow the other documents to be completed.
Thanks
Tina Lloyd on behalf of
David Armstrong
Head of Universal Services CYPD
and Assistant Chief Executive
Wirral Council
Tel: 0151 666 4313
Fax: 0151 666 4338
email: tinalloyd@wirral.gov.uk
Visit our website: www.wirral.gov.uk
From: Schofield, Colin [mailto:ColinSchofield@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 07 May 2014 18:02 To: Timmins, Kieran; Armstrong, David Subject: Re: Greasby Sites
Kieran
Re Birkenhead, draft lease & associated documents are with Dawn to pass to Wirral’s legal team for consideration.
Need to sort out ICT connections but move in date shouldn’t be too far away.
Regards
Col
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 05:53 PM To: Armstrong, David Cc: Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Hi David
Tony hasn’t had a chance to send details yet. Be grateful if you could follow up.
Colin, Can you update us on current position on Birkenhead.
Thanks
Kieran
From: Halpin, Colleen S. [ColleenHalpin@wirral.gov.uk] on behalf of Armstrong, David [davidarmstrong@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: 07 May 2014 16:48 To: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Dear Kieran
Did Tony provide you with the contact for the Woodland Trust?
Any outstanding issues re us moving into Birkenhead Fire Station?
Regards
David Armstrong
Head of Universal Services CYPD
And Assistant Chief Executive
Colleen Halpin
PA to Director of Children’s Services
Children and Young People’s Department
Wirral Council
Tel: 0151 666 4288
Fax: 0151 666 4338
E-mail: colleenhalpin@wirral.gov.uk
www.wirral.gov.uk
From: Timmins, Kieran [mailto:KieranTimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 29 April 2014 06:36 To: Armstrong, David Subject: Greasby Sites
HI David
Can you send me your contact details for the woodland trust (did you have any joy with them?).
Many thanks
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
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From: Simpson, Tony Sent: 16 May 2014 11:37 To: Armstrong, David; Schofield, Colin, Timmins, Kieran Cc: Royle, Jeannette E. Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
DavidSmith@woodlandtrust.org.uk]
Regards
Tony
From:/B> Lloyd, Tina A. On Behalf Of Armstrong, David Sent: 15 May 2014 15:37 To: ‘Schofield, Colin’; Timmins, Kieran; Armstrong, David Cc: Simpson, Tony; Royle, Jeannette E. Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Re Birkenhead – I have now signed off a draft report for Cabinet Member approval ASAP. That should allow the other documents to be completed.
Thanks
Tina Lloyd on behalf of
David Armstrong
Head of Universal Services CYPD
and Assistant Chief Executive
Wirral Council
Tel: 0151 666 4313
Fax: 0151 666 4338
email: tinalloyd@wirral.gov.uk
Visit our website: www.wirral.gov.uk
From: Schofield, Colin [mailto:ColinSchofield@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 07 May 2014 18:02 To: Timmins, Kieran; Armstrong, David Subject: Re: Greasby Sites
Kieran
Re Birkenhead, draft lease & associated documents are with Dawn to pass to Wirral’s legal team for consideration.
Need to sort out ICT connections but move in date shouldn’t be too far away.
Regards
Col
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 05:53 PM To: Armstrong, David Cc: Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Hi David
Tony hasn’t had a chance to send details yet. Be grateful if you could follow up.
Colin, Can you update us on current position on Birkenhead.
Thanks
Kieran
From: Halpin, Colleen S. [ColleenHalpin@wirral.gov.uk] on behalf of Armstrong, David [davidarmstrong@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: 07 May 2014 16:48 To: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Dear Kieran
Did Tony provide you with the contact for the Woodland Trust?
Any outstanding issues re us moving into Birkenhead Fire Station?
Regards
David Armstrong
Head of Universal Services CYPD
And Assistant Chief Executive
Colleen Halpin
PA to Director of Children’s Services
Children and Young People’s Department
Wirral Council
Tel: 0151 666 4288
Fax: 0151 666 4338
E-mail: colleenhalpin@wirral.gov.uk
www.wirral.gov.uk
From: Timmins, Kieran [mailto:KieranTimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 29 April 2014 06:36 To: Armstrong, David Subject: Greasby Sites
HI David
Can you send me your contact details for the woodland trust (did you have any joy with them?).
Many thanks
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 16 May 2014 13:27 To: Schofield, Colin Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: GREASBY
Colin,
This work is in progress and we should have something by next Tuesday.
David
DAVID BALL Head of Regeneration and Planning Regeneration and Environment Department Wirral Council
From: Schofield, Colin [mailto:ColinSchofield@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 16 May 2014 08:48 To: Ball, David S. Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: GREASBY
Hi David
Following on from when we spoke last week, I recall you were going to get someone to look at the land at Upton By-pass/Saughall Massie Road to see if there was any potential for us to consider it as a site for the new merged Upton/West Kirby fire station. I think you also suggested that you’d get someone to produce a plan showing any ‘spare land’ in the Greasby area (back to the By-pass) so we can continue to seek out a potential site for the new station.
I was just wondering if you had any news on either of these please?
Regards
Colin
Colin Schofield Regional Project Director North West Fire & Rescue Services PFI Project c/o Merseyside F&RS HQ Bridle Road Bootle Merseyside L30 4YD tel 0151 296 4203 mob 07780 997933 fax 0151 296 4224 email colinschofield@merseyfire.gov.uk
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 19 May 2014 10:41 To: Schofield, Colin Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites Attachments: Land Corner Saughall Massie Road 1_2500.pdf; Land North Upton Cricket Club 1_2500.pdf
Colin,
Confidential
Further to our recent conversation and the e-mail exchange last week, please find attached and below some thoughts from my Planning Policy Team about potential sites. Unfortunately, as you will read, there are a number of constraints to these sites but we are having difficulty identifying suitable sites in the Greasby area.
Happy to discuss!
David DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Austin, Hannah Sent: 19 May 2014 10:17 To: Ball, David S. CC: Fraser, Andrew S. Subject: Potential Fire Station Sites
David,
Further to your discussion with Andrew on Friday, please find attached site plans of two potential sites for the relocation of Upton Fire Station. We examined the whole area and these are the only sites that we consider have potential, in addition to the site already being considered. It should be noted, however, that these are still subject to significant constraints. The land at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a Council-owned densely wooded site with access constraints. It is likely that there would be significant highways issues at the junction with Upton By-Pass. The land to the north of Upton Cricket Club is also subject to access constraints and is currently used for horse grazing. It has been submitted through the Call for Sites exercise for consideration for housing. Both sites are also less than 1 mile away from the existing station in Upton.
In terms of Green Belt sites, this type of development would be considered inappropriate and very special circumstances would need to be demonstrated to justify development. The capacity to accommodate fire engines on Frankby Road and the western part of Saughall Massie Road may also act as a constraint to development in Greasby/Saughall Massie.
I hope this helps. If you need anything else please let me know.
Kind regards
Hannah Austin Senior Planning Officer
Wirral Council
Regeneration and Planning Service, North Annexe, Wallasey Town Hall, Brighton Street, Wallasey, Wirral CH44 8ED
Tel: 0151 691 8192
Email: hannahaustin@wirral.gov.uk
Fax: 0151 691 8188
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From: Ball, David, S. Sent: 19 May 2014 13:02 To: Schofield, Colin Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites (further info) Attachments: Land Corner Saughall Massie Road 1_2500.pdf; Land North Upton Cricket Club 1_2500.pdf
Colin,
CONFIDENTIAL
Update on sites!
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Fraser, Andrew S. Sent: 19 May 2014 11:36 To: Ball, David S. Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info]
David.
Just to say that the site at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a designated Urban Greenspace but although highly visible it does not really function as an accessible public open space and Overchurch Park is within 400m to the north, albeit on the other side of the bypass. The visual landscaping impact alongside the bypass could however be retained without retaining the whole of the rest of the site (although this is still likely to be controversial!). The highways issues are however likely to be overriding.
Thanks
Andrew Fraser, Forward Planning Manager
Regeneration and Planning Service
Tel: 0151 691 8218 Fax: 0151 691 8188
From: Austin, Hannah Sent: 19 May 2014 10:17 To: Ball, David S. CC: Fraser, Andrew S. Subject: Potential Fire Station Sites
David,
Further to your discussion with Andrew on Friday, please find attached site plans of two potential sites for the relocation of Upton Fire Station. We examined the whole area and these are the only sites that we consider have potential, in addition to the site already being considered. It should be noted, however, that these are still subject to significant constraints. The land at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a Council-owned densely wooded site with access constraints. It is likely that there would be significant highways issues at the junction with Upton By-Pass. The land to the north of Upton Cricket Club is also subject to access constraints and is currently used for horse grazing. It has been submitted through the Call for Sites exercise for consideration for housing. Both sites are also less than 1 mile away from the existing station in Upton.
In terms of Green Belt sites, this type of development would be considered inappropriate and very special circumstances would need to be demonstrated to justify development. The capacity to accommodate fire engines on Frankby Road and the western part of Saughall Massie Road may also act as a constraint to development in Greasby/Saughall Massie.
I hope this helps. If you need anything else please let me know.
Kind regards
Hannah Austin Senior Planning Officer
Wirral Council
Regeneration and Planning Service, North Annexe, Wallasey Town Hall, Brighton Street, Wallasey, Wirral CH44 8ED
Tel: 0151 691 8192
Email: hannahaustin@wirral.gov.uk
Fax: 0151 691 8188
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From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 19 May 2014 15:46 To: ‘Ball, David S.’ Cc: Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Potential Fire Station Sites (further info)
Thanks again David
Would be grateful if colleagues able to give any more details on concerns on the highway’s issues. We tend to find that
a) Fire stations are a lot quieter than people imagine and rarely respond under blue lights
b) Quite often appliances respond when they are off site doing home fire safety checks etc
Thanks
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
From: Ball, David, S. Sent: 19 May 2014 13:02 To: Schofield, Colin Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites (further info) Attachments: Land Corner Saughall Massie Road 1_2500.pdf; Land North Upton Cricket Club 1_2500.pdf
Colin,
CONFIDENTIAL
Update on sites!
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Fraser, Andrew S. Sent: 19 May 2014 11:36 To: Ball, David S. Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info]
David.
Just to say that the site at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a designated Urban Greenspace but although highly visible it does not really function as an accessible public open space and Overchurch Park is within 400m to the north, albeit on the other side of the bypass. The visual landscaping impact alongside the bypass could however be retained without retaining the whole of the rest of the site (although this is still likely to be controversial!). The highways issues are however likely to be overriding.
Thanks
Andrew Fraser, Forward Planning Manager
Regeneration and Planning Service
Tel: 0151 691 8218 Fax: 0151 691 8188
From: Austin, Hannah Sent: 19 May 2014 10:17 To: Ball, David S. CC: Fraser, Andrew S. Subject: Potential Fire Station Sites
David,
Further to your discussion with Andrew on Friday, please find attached site plans of two potential sites for the relocation of Upton Fire Station. We examined the whole area and these are the only sites that we consider have potential, in addition to the site already being considered. It should be noted, however, that these are still subject to significant constraints. The land at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a Council-owned densely wooded site with access constraints. It is likely that there would be significant highways issues at the junction with Upton By-Pass. The land to the north of Upton Cricket Club is also subject to access constraints and is currently used for horse grazing. It has been submitted through the Call for Sites exercise for consideration for housing. Both sites are also less than 1 mile away from the existing station in Upton.
In terms of Green Belt sites, this type of development would be considered inappropriate and very special circumstances would need to be demonstrated to justify development. The capacity to accommodate fire engines on Frankby Road and the western part of Saughall Massie Road may also act as a constraint to development in Greasby/Saughall Massie.
I hope this helps. If you need anything else please let me know.
Kind regards
Hannah Austin Senior Planning Officer
Wirral Council
Regeneration and Planning Service, North Annexe, Wallasey Town Hall, Brighton Street, Wallasey, Wirral CH44 8ED
Tel: 0151 691 8192
Email: hannahaustin@wirral.gov.uk
Fax: 0151 691 8188
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 20 May 2014 08:01 To: Timmins, Kieran Cc: Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info]
Kieran,
I will look into the highway issues in more detail.
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 19 May 2014 15:46 To: ‘Ball, David S.’ Cc: Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Potential Fire Station Sites (further info)
Thanks again David
Would be grateful if colleagues able to give any more details on concerns on the highway’s issues. We tend to find that
a) Fire stations are a lot quieter than people imagine and rarely respond under blue lights
b) Quite often appliances respond when they are off site doing home fire safety checks etc
Thanks
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
From: Ball, David, S. Sent: 19 May 2014 13:02 To: Schofield, Colin Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites (further info) Attachments: Land Corner Saughall Massie Road 1_2500.pdf; Land North Upton Cricket Club 1_2500.pdf
Colin,
CONFIDENTIAL
Update on sites!
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Fraser, Andrew S. Sent: 19 May 2014 11:36 To: Ball, David S. Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info]
David.
Just to say that the site at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a designated Urban Greenspace but although highly visible it does not really function as an accessible public open space and Overchurch Park is within 400m to the north, albeit on the other side of the bypass. The visual landscaping impact alongside the bypass could however be retained without retaining the whole of the rest of the site (although this is still likely to be controversial!). The highways issues are however likely to be overriding.
Thanks
Andrew Fraser, Forward Planning Manager
Regeneration and Planning Service
Tel: 0151 691 8218 Fax: 0151 691 8188
From: Austin, Hannah Sent: 19 May 2014 10:17 To: Ball, David S. CC: Fraser, Andrew S. Subject: Potential Fire Station Sites
David,
Further to your discussion with Andrew on Friday, please find attached site plans of two potential sites for the relocation of Upton Fire Station. We examined the whole area and these are the only sites that we consider have potential, in addition to the site already being considered. It should be noted, however, that these are still subject to significant constraints. The land at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a Council-owned densely wooded site with access constraints. It is likely that there would be significant highways issues at the junction with Upton By-Pass. The land to the north of Upton Cricket Club is also subject to access constraints and is currently used for horse grazing. It has been submitted through the Call for Sites exercise for consideration for housing. Both sites are also less than 1 mile away from the existing station in Upton.
In terms of Green Belt sites, this type of development would be considered inappropriate and very special circumstances would need to be demonstrated to justify development. The capacity to accommodate fire engines on Frankby Road and the western part of Saughall Massie Road may also act as a constraint to development in Greasby/Saughall Massie.
I hope this helps. If you need anything else please let me know.
Kind regards
Hannah Austin Senior Planning Officer
Wirral Council
Regeneration and Planning Service, North Annexe, Wallasey Town Hall, Brighton Street, Wallasey, Wirral CH44 8ED
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 25 June 2014 08:11 To: Schofield, Colin Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info]
Colin,
Apologies for the delay in replying as things have been very busy of late.
On an initial look and taking into account your comments in your e-mail of 19 may, I think we could look at this positively subject to detailed design.
I hope this helps.
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Schofield, Colin [mailto:ColinSchofield@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 25 June 2014 07:55 To: Ball, David S. Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info] Importance: High
Hi David
Do you have any further update on this please?
I understand that Dan Stephens is meeting Councillor Phil Davies on Tuesday & I need to update him before that meeting.
Regards
Colin
From: Schofield, Colin Sent: 04 June 2014 07:58 To: ‘Ball, David S.’ Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info]
David
Is there any further news on the highways issues please?
Regards
Colin
Colin Schofield Regional Project Director North West Fire & Rescue Services PFI Project c/o Merseyside F&RS HQ Bridle Road Bootle Merseyside L30 4YD tel 0151 296 4203 mob 07780 997933 fax 0151 296 4224 email colinschofield@merseyfire.gov.uk
From: Ball, David S. Sent: 20 May 2014 08:01 To: Timmins, Kieran Cc: Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info]
Kieran,
I will look into the highway issues in more detail.
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 19 May 2014 15:46 To: ‘Ball, David S.’ Cc: Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Potential Fire Station Sites (further info)
Thanks again David
Would be grateful if colleagues able to give any more details on concerns on the highway’s issues. We tend to find that
a) Fire stations are a lot quieter than people imagine and rarely respond under blue lights
b) Quite often appliances respond when they are off site doing home fire safety checks etc
Thanks
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
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From: Ball, David, S. Sent: 19 May 2014 13:02 To: Schofield, Colin Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites (further info) Attachments: Land Corner Saughall Massie Road 1_2500.pdf; Land North Upton Cricket Club 1_2500.pdf
Colin,
CONFIDENTIAL
Update on sites!
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Fraser, Andrew S. Sent: 19 May 2014 11:36 To: Ball, David S. Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info]
David.
Just to say that the site at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a designated Urban Greenspace but although highly visible it does not really function as an accessible public open space and Overchurch Park is within 400m to the north, albeit on the other side of the bypass. The visual landscaping impact alongside the bypass could however be retained without retaining the whole of the rest of the site (although this is still likely to be controversial!). The highways issues are however likely to be overriding.
Thanks
Andrew Fraser, Forward Planning Manager
Regeneration and Planning Service
Tel: 0151 691 8218 Fax: 0151 691 8188
From: Austin, Hannah Sent: 19 May 2014 10:17 To: Ball, David S. CC: Fraser, Andrew S. Subject: Potential Fire Station Sites
David,
Further to your discussion with Andrew on Friday, please find attached site plans of two potential sites for the relocation of Upton Fire Station. We examined the whole area and these are the only sites that we consider have potential, in addition to the site already being considered. It should be noted, however, that these are still subject to significant constraints. The land at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a Council-owned densely wooded site with access constraints. It is likely that there would be significant highways issues at the junction with Upton By-Pass. The land to the north of Upton Cricket Club is also subject to access constraints and is currently used for horse grazing. It has been submitted through the Call for Sites exercise for consideration for housing. Both sites are also less than 1 mile away from the existing station in Upton.
In terms of Green Belt sites, this type of development would be considered inappropriate and very special circumstances would need to be demonstrated to justify development. The capacity to accommodate fire engines on Frankby Road and the western part of Saughall Massie Road may also act as a constraint to development in Greasby/Saughall Massie.
I hope this helps. If you need anything else please let me know.
Kind regards
Hannah Austin Senior Planning Officer
Wirral Council
Regeneration and Planning Service, North Annexe, Wallasey Town Hall, Brighton Street, Wallasey, Wirral CH44 8ED
Tel: 0151 691 8192
Email: hannahaustin@wirral.gov.uk
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 09 July 2014 08:06 To: Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David; Simpson, Tony; Blott, Joe R. Subject: Potential fire station sites in Wirral
Kieran,
Joe Blott, one of our Strategic Directors has asked me to contact you following the recent meeting that Dan Stevens had with the leader of the Council. I understand that one of the discussion points was the various sites that we have been discussing over the past few months for a potential new fire station.
I understand that there may be a need to consolidate all the correspondence and to come to a view if any of these sites are possible locations and if there is a preferred site fro the Council to let you know whether it is available (if we own it) and what the planning considerations may be. I know that we (Asset Management and me from a planning perspective) have discussed a number of sites but would it be useful to meet to come to a considered position on this matter?
Please can you let me know what would be best?
Thanks,
David
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Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
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From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 09 July 2014 17:02 To: ‘Ball, David S.’ Cc: Armstrong, David; Simpson, Tony; Blott, Joe R; ColinSchofield@merseyfire.gov.uk;NyreeCollinson@merseyfire.gov.uk Subject: RE: Potential fire station sites in Wirral
Hi David
That’s very timely as I was just discussing with Colin holding a meeting to review the site options and it would make a lot of sense to do that jointly with your input. I’ll get a meeting set up with Colin Schofield, myself and (is it just) you from the Wirral side?
Under separate cover I’ll send a copy of a short note I did for Dan trying to summarise where we are up to which might be useful for all
Best wishes
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
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Fax: 0151 296 4224
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 09 July 2014 08:06 To: Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David; Simpson, Tony; Blott, Joe R. Subject: Potential fire station sites in Wirral
Kieran,
Joe Blott, one of our Strategic Directors has asked me to contact you following the recent meeting that Dan Stevens had with the leader of the Council. I understand that one of the discussion points was the various sites that we have been discussing over the past few months for a potential new fire station.
I understand that there may be a need to consolidate all the correspondence and to come to a view if any of these sites are possible locations and if there is a preferred site fro the Council to let you know whether it is available (if we own it) and what the planning considerations may be. I know that we (Asset Management and me from a planning perspective) have discussed a number of sites but would it be useful to meet to come to a considered position on this matter?
Please can you let me know what would be best?
Thanks,
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
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From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 09 July 2014 17:07 To: ‘Ball, David S.’ Cc: Armstrong, David; Simpson, Tony; Blott, Joe R; ColinSchofield@merseyfire.gov.uk;NyreeCollinson@merseyfire.gov.uk Subject: RE: Potential fire station sites in Wirral Attachments: summary of greasby sites update june 25.xlsx
Hi David,
Further to previous email see notes below and attachment which were provided for Chief Exec’s meeting
a) Sites discounted early
Two sites were considered at an early stage and discounted. One was a junior school on Mill Lane – there were concerns about access and no indications that school was willing to give up land. The second was a farm site on Arrowe road – No indications if land was for sale
b) Sites considered in more detail
Since then 6 sites have been considered in more detail. They have been identified by a mix of estates team detective work, suggestions by colleagues and suggestions by Wirral officers. The sites are analysed in more detail in the attached appendix. As it stands there are two “runners” left:-
Saughall Massie Road/Upton By Pass. This is owned by Wirral and looks quite positive based on recent correspondence despite being urban greenspace. It may be a little father from Greasby than planned but access good
The Library/Community hall site in middle of Greasby. However this site not suitable for ambulance services and we would have to deal with multiple partners. Locality is a political hot potato with large public outcry about supermarket development.
c) Latest Developments
Estates team have been liaising with various professional advisers to see if they had any information. We have heard rumours of one potential larger development being put together near Greasby. We are awaiting more details and location
Have also formally instructed Hardie Brack to look for sites and their report is awaited. We believe they may have identified three or four potential plots which we understand all to be farmland that might be for sale.
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 09 July 2014 08:06 To: Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David; Simpson, Tony; Blott, Joe R. Subject: Potential fire station sites in Wirral
Kieran,
Joe Blott, one of our Strategic Directors has asked me to contact you following the recent meeting that Dan Stevens had with the leader of the Council. I understand that one of the discussion points was the various sites that we have been discussing over the past few months for a potential new fire station.
I understand that there may be a need to consolidate all the correspondence and to come to a view if any of these sites are possible locations and if there is a preferred site fro the Council to let you know whether it is available (if we own it) and what the planning considerations may be. I know that we (Asset Management and me from a planning perspective) have discussed a number of sites but would it be useful to meet to come to a considered position on this matter?
Please can you let me know what would be best?
Thanks,
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 09 July 2014 17:31 To: Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David; Simpson, Tony, Blott, Joe R; Schofield, Colin; Collinson, Nyree Subject: RE: Potential fire station sites in Wirral
Kieran
I suggest me on the planning side and David and/or Tony on the assets side.
David
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 25 July 2014 14:10 To: Timmins, Kieran; Schofield, Colin Subject: Fire Station -CONFIDENTIAL
Kieran and Colin,
It was good to see you this morning.
I have had the opportunity to speak with colleagues at officer level regarding the thoughts for the centre of Greasby and they are all supportive of the principle. I am now pulling together relevant space details and there are a number of options here which will be helpful. I will forward these as soon as I have them.
I will speak to David Armstrong on Monday about the land issues and will begin to sound out Cabinet Members around the middle of next week,
I will keep you advised.
David
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From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 25 July 2014 22:01 To: Ball, David S.; Schofield, Colin Cc: Garrigan, Phil; Stephens, Dan Subject: RE: Fire Station – CONFIDENTIAL
Hi David
Thank you very much for your efforts and pragmatic advice. This seems a really exciting development and one the whole management team are really keen on.
We look forward to working with you to deliver …… Operation Reading by Firelight begins!
Thanks
Kieran
From: Ball, David S. Sent: 25 July 2014 14:09 To: Timmins, Kieran; Schofield, Colin Subject: Fire Station -CONFIDENTIAL
Kieran and Colin,
It was good to see you this morning.
I have had the opportunity to speak with colleagues at officer level regarding the thoughts for the centre of Greasby and they are all supportive of the principle. I am now pulling together relevant space details and there are a number of options here which will be helpful. I will forward these as soon as I have them.
I will speak to David Armstrong on Monday about the land issues and will begin to sound out Cabinet Members around the middle of next week,
I will keep you advised.
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 25 July 2014 22:06 To: Timmins, Kieran Subject: Re: Fire Station -CONFIDENTIAL
Kieran
You are welcome.
Let’s hope we succeed.
David
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 04 August 2014 14:28 To: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: Update on station proposals for Upton and West Kirby
Kieran,
Thanks!
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Timmins, Kieran [mailto:KieranTimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 04 August 2014 14:23 To: Ball, David S. Subject: FW: Update on station proposals for Upton and West Kirby.
Hi David…… see Dan’s correspondence with Ester Mcvey below…..
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
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From: Stephens, Dan Sent: 04 August 2014 14:17 To: Strategic Management Group Subject: FW: Update on station proposals for Upton and West Kirby.
Colleagues,
For your information.
Regards,
Dan Stephens,
Chief Fire Officer,
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service,
Bridle Road,
Bootle,
Merseyside,
L30 4YD
0151 296 4102
07967371690
dan.stephens@mfrs.cjsm.net
From: Stephens, Dan Sent: 04 August 2014 14:16 To: ‘RIMMER, Andrew’ Cc: Wainwright, Sandra Subject: RE: Update on station proposals for Upton and West Kirby.
Andrew,
We are, in conjunction with Wirral, exploring the possibility of a joint development on the site of the existing Library and Community Centre situated in between the Red Cat and Medical Centre on Frankby Road.
This would be an ideal location from an operational response perspective. The joint development may consist of a fire station, library and community facilities in an integrated building. It is possible North West Ambulance Service may also be interested in the development but that is by no means certain and would be subject to confirmation.
This proposal is at a relatively early stage and not all potential partners have yet been approached. Whilst I have a degree of confidence that such a development is deliverable I would ask that any response to constituents over this issue is heavily caveated to that effect.
My suggestion would be to respond along the lines of ‘Considerations are now focused on a site in the centre of Greasby in Wirral ownership. Whilst discussions are at a very early stage, the debate has been around delivering a shared public services facility that would add significant value to the community’.
Thanks,
Dan Stephens,
Chief Fire Officer,
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service,
Bridle Road,
Bootle,
Merseyside,
L30 4YD
0151 296 4102
07967371690
dan.stephens@mfrs.cjsm.net
From: RIMMER, Andrew [mailto:andrew.rimmer@parliament.uk] Sent: 04 August 2014 10:52 To: Stephens, Dan Cc: Wainwright, Sandrea Subject: RE: Update on station proposals for Upton and West Kirby. Importance: High
Sent on behalf of Esther McVey MP
Dear Dan
Further to your telephone call with Esther and email correspondence below regarding Fire Station proposals in Wirral West, would it be possible to update us on consideration of a site in Greasby so we have the latest information. It was one of the issues raised on Friday at the Over 60s Fair MFRS attended at Hoylake Community Centre.
Many thanks for your help.
Kind regards
Andrew
Andrew Rimmer
Office of Esther McVey MP
From:“Stephens,Dan” Date:8 May 2014 19:35:53 BST To:“MCVEY, Esther (2nd Mailbox)” Subject: RE: Update on station proposals for Upton and West Kirby.
Dear Esther,
For ease of reply I have inserted responses to your questions in the body of the e-mail below.
If it assists I can meet with you or give you a call when it is convenient for you to update you on progress?
Thanks,
Dan Stephens,
Chief Fire Officer,
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service,
Bridle Road,
Bootle,
Merseyside,
L30 4YD
0151 296 4102
07967371690
dan.stephens@mfrs.cjsm.net
From: MCVEY, Esther (2nd Mailbox) [mailto:officeofesthermcveymp@parliament.uk] Sent: 08 May 2014 14:14 To: Stephens, Dan Subject: FW: Update on station proposals for Upton and West Kirby
Dear Dan
Please could I ask for a quick update on decisions over stations in Wirral West following contact from constituents. Specifically
Have MFS identified land as yet in Greasby? – Not as yet. We are exploring the possibility of acquiring a site on the Greasby Frankby border and also a site at the junction of the Upton Bypass and Saughall Massie Road. As you are probably aware there are very few available plots of land in the area which would be appropriate for a fire (and possibly ambulance) station
If so when will any consultation process commence? – If we are able to acquire a site we will report this to the next scheduled Authority meeting and request approval to undertake a 12 week public consultation process immediately thereafter. I can send you the process we are utilising for the proposed merger in Knowsley (Huyton with Whiston) which was approved at the Authority meeting on 6th May if that would assist?
If not, what would the likely timescale be to implement alternative proposals and when would any consultation start? – If it becomes obvious that we will not be able to acquire a suitable site for a merger then we will report back to the Authority and advise them of the alternative options to a merger which on the Wirral would be the outright closure of West Kirby. Subject to Authority approval we would then undertake a 12 week consultation process immediately thereafter. Clearly this is the very last outcome we would want so we will explore every land option possible even if that requires consideration of alternative sites (hence the Upton Bypass and Saughall Massie Road reference above)
Many thanks in advance for an update on this matter.
With my best wishes
Esther McVey MP officeofesthermcveymp@parliament.uk
The Parade, Hoylake Community Centre
Hoyle Road, Hoylake
Wirral
CH47 3AG
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Timmins, Kieran From: Ball, David S. Sent: 09 September 2014 09:25 To: Stephens, Dan; Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
Dan and Kieran,
I saw Lesley Rennie last Friday and she did mention to me the meeting was taking place.
I was in meetings yesterday afternoon so only picked up the e-mail last night. Thanks for the update. I shall wait and see if Lesley can change their minds about this location or not. In the meantime I will not look at this any further until I have some view from the Councillors. I hope there is a positive outcome.
I have copied David Armstrong into this e-mail so he is aware of the latest situation.
Regards,
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Stephens, Dan [mailto:DanStephens@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 08 September 2014 18:57 To: Timmins, Kieran; Ball, David S. Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
Thanks Kieran,
David – to confirm Tom and Wendy were very clear that they would oppose the proposal. I will however speak to Lesley Rennie to establish how likely they would be to change their position given the alternative.
Regards,
Dan Stephens,
Chief Fire Officer,
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service,
Bridle Road,
Bootle,
Merseyside,
L30 4YD
0151 296 4102
07967371690
dan.stephens@mfrs.cjsm.net
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 08 September 2014 18:07 To: davidball@wiral.gov.uk Cc: Stephens, Dan Subject: Greasby Councillors
HI David
Not sure if you got the message earlier – Tried to catch you on the phone before you went to council meeting.
Dan met Greasby councillors today – Wendy Clements and Tom Anderson (I think). This as at request of Lesley rennie. They do not appear to like the idea of a fire station in Greasby and their initial thought is to oppose the plan based on the conversation today. Dan explained that the alternative option was the closure of West Kirby outright which was also not platable and may cause them to reconsider. However it appeared that their initial view is to oppose.
Can you give me a buzz on 07855 207571 if you want to discuss
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
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Timmins, Kieran
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 09 September 2014 09:28 To: ‘Ball, David S.’; Stephens, Dan Cc: Armstrong, David; Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
HI David
I think we would like to initiate discussions with the community hall in any case. The issue we have is that as firefighters retire we can’t staff all the appliances and with two years to deliver a new station its important we don’t lose any time.
Unless that causes any major problems would you be agreeable to proceed. If nothing else at least we can work up properly what is proposed as a joint service hub that may help win hearts and minds!
What do you think?
Kieran
From: Ball, David S. Sent: 09 September 2014 09:25 To: Stephens, Dan; Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
Dan and Kieran,
I saw Lesley Rennie last Friday and she did mention to me the meeting was taking place.
I was in meetings yesterday afternoon so only picked up the e-mail last night. Thanks for the update. I shall wait and see if Lesley can change their minds about this location or not. In the meantime I will not look at this any further until I have some view from the Councillors. I hope there is a positive outcome.
I have copied David Armstrong into this e-mail so he is aware of the latest situation.
Regards,
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From:; Stephens, Dan [mailto:DanStephens@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 08 September 2014 18:57 To: Timmins, Kieran; Ball, David S. Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
Thanks Kieran,
David – to confirm Tom and Wendy were very clear that they would oppose the proposal. I will however speak to Lesley Rennie to establish how likely they would be to change their position given the alternative.
Regards,
Dan Stephens,
Chief Fire Officer,
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service,
Bridle Road,
Bootle,
Merseyside,
L30 4YD
0151 296 4102
07967371690
dan.stephens@mfrs.cjsm.net
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 08 September 2014 18:07 To: davidball@wiral.gov.uk Cc: Stephens, Dan Subject: Greasby Councillors
HI David
Not sure if you got the message earlier – Tried to catch you on the phone before you went to council meeting.
Dan met Greasby councillors today – Wendy Clements and Tom Anderson (I think). This as at request of Lesley rennie. They do not appear to like the idea of a fire station in Greasby and their initial thought is to oppose the plan based on the conversation today. Dan explained that the alternative option was the closure of West Kirby outright which was also not platable and may cause them to reconsider. However it appeared that their initial view is to oppose.
Can you give me a buzz on 07855 207571 if you want to discuss
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
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Timmins, Kieran
From: Ball, David S. Sent: 09 September 2014 10:30 To: Stephens, Dan; Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David; Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
Dan,
I have just e-mailed Graham Burgess and David Armstrong on this matter and await their comments.
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Stephens, Dan [mailto:DanStephens@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 09 September 2014 09:50 To: Timmins, Keran; Ball, David S. Cc: Armstrong, David; Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
David,
Can I suggest we have a meeting to discuss our options and possibly include Graham, Phil Davies and even Jeff Green please?
The alternative to a merger of West Kirby and Upton fire stations in an outright closure of West Kirby which we would move to public consultation on imminently. That will undoubtedly result in a degree of political impact and I would want us all to be on the same page in terms of a collective position.
Thanks,
Dan Stephens,
Chief Fire Officer,
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service,
Bridle Road,
Bootle,
Merseyside,
L30 4YD
0151 296 4102
07967371690
dan.stephens@mfrs.cjsm.net
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 09 September 2014 09:28 To: ‘Ball, David S.’; Stephens, Dan Cc: Armstrong, David; Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
HI David
I think we would like to initiate discussions with the community hall in any case. The issue we have is that as firefighters retire we can’t staff all the appliances and with two years to deliver a new station its important we don’t lose any time.
Unless that causes any major problems would you be agreeable to proceed. If nothing else at least we can work up properly what is proposed as a joint service hub that may help win hearts and minds!
What do you think?
Kieran
From: Ball, David S. Sent: 09 September 2014 09:25 To: Stephens, Dan; Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
Dan and Kieran,
I saw Lesley Rennie last Friday and she did mention to me the meeting was taking place.
I was in meetings yesterday afternoon so only picked up the e-mail last night. Thanks for the update. I shall wait and see if Lesley can change their minds about this location or not. In the meantime I will not look at this any further until I have some view from the Councillors. I hope there is a positive outcome.
I have copied David Armstrong into this e-mail so he is aware of the latest situation.
Regards,
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Stephens, Dan [mailto:DanStephens@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 08 September 2014 18:57 To: Timmins, Kieran; Ball, David S. Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
Thanks Kieran,
David – to confirm Tom and Wendy were very clear that they would oppose the proposal. I will however speak to Lesley Rennie to establish how likely they would be to change their position given the alternative.
Regards,
Dan Stephens,
Chief Fire Officer,
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service,
Bridle Road,
Bootle,
Merseyside,
L30 4YD
0151 296 4102
07967371690
dan.stephens@mfrs.cjsm.net
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 08 September 2014 18:07 To: davidball@wiral.gov.uk Cc: Stephens, Dan Subject: Greasby Councillors
HI David
Not sure if you got the message earlier – Tried to catch you on the phone before you went to council meeting.
Dan met Greasby councillors today – Wendy Clements and Tom Anderson (I think). This as at request of Lesley rennie. They do not appear to like the idea of a fire station in Greasby and their initial thought is to oppose the plan based on the conversation today. Dan explained that the alternative option was the closure of West Kirby outright which was also not platable and may cause them to reconsider. However it appeared that their initial view is to oppose.
Can you give me a buzz on 07855 207571 if you want to discuss
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
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Timmins, Kieran
From: Ball, David S. Sent: 10 September 2014 13:54 To: Stephens, Dan; Timmins, Kieran Subject: Meeting on friday re greasby and west Kirby
Dan/Kieran,
Just to confirm that David Armstrong and I will be attending the meeting at 4pm on Friday afternoon.
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
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