Personally I thought nothing further would happen on this story until the September meeting of Wirral Council’s Highways and Traffic Representation Panel. However, since writing that story Wirral Council have issued a press release that’s titled either “Resort parking plans quashed” (when it’s linked to from their homepage) or “Wirral Council leader says no to plans to charge for parking in New Brighton” from the press release.
There is a very interesting quote in the press release from Councillor Phil Davies that states “Cllr Pat Hackett, our Cabinet Member for the Economy, has been meeting with traders and business leaders in New Brighton to discuss the proposals, and they made a powerful case for not proceeding. When we looked at the plan and the possible impact on parking and tourism across the whole of the resort, I made the decision to stop the proposal”.
On the 22nd December 2014, I wrote on this blog When Wirral Council introduces car parking charges at Fort Perch Rock, will 3 hours free parking end for a further 423 New Brighton spaces? (later updating it this year by including the public notice). I published the three pages of Wirral Council’s lease for the Marine Point development at New Brighton that detailed if Wirral Council introduced car parking charges at Fort Perch Rock car park, charges could be introduced at the supermarket car park and the “health and fitness” car park (originally Bubbles was going to be a gym but they couldn’t find a company that wanted to run it as a gym). This was plenty of time before the 2015/16 budget for Wirral Council was agreed on the 24th February 2015 for councillors to change their mind.
An article by Liam Murphy in the Liverpool Echo states “But Promenade Estates, who manage part of the successfully regenerated resort, say if the charges are imposed they would have little choice but to follow suit. This would mean parking charges on the car parks serving Morrisons, The Light Cinema, Bubbles play centre and other businesses.”
So it wasn’t just a “possible impact” but a “probable impact”. On the 9th December 2014, Councillor Phil Davies proposed and voted for this resolution at a Cabinet meeting, that was seconded and agreed by all councillors including Cllr Pat Hackett:
“We also feel that it is appropriate to introduce a modest charge for parking at Fort Perch Rock in New Brighton up to 6 p.m.”
“67.We also feel it is appropriate that a modest charge for parking up to 6 pm. at Fort Perch Rock in New Brighton should be introduced.”
So Councillor Phil Davies U-turned on his own policy! However it begs the following question, if the reason for stopping the proposal is the impact on parking across the resort (as stated in the quote from Cllr Phil Davies), then why wasn’t he told about the impact on parking elsewhere in Marine Point by his own officers before Cabinet made the decision? As you can see below from the first page of the lease that has the clauses about parking, Wirral Council is the landlord for the Marine Point development.
New Brighton Marine Point lease Wirral Council Neptune Wirral Ltd cover page
“I confirm that the Authority no longer retains DHA Communications and the use of their services ceased as of March 31st 2015. The Authority recognises that some parts of its relationship with DHA Communications was not fully formalised in some time periods. The Authority has reviewed its practices in relation to this type of contract and has now put in additional measures and monitoring in place to ensure that an accurate audit trail is retained.”
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Wirral Council planning on green belt fire station “there would be some planning policy issues”
Wirral Council planning on green belt fire station “there would be some planning policy issues”
Dan Stephens (Chief Fire Officer) answers questions at a public consultation meeting in Saughall Massie to discuss proposals for a new fire station (20th April 2015)
Continuing from Wednesday’s blog post headlined Wirral Council planning on green belt fire station “inappropriate development” & “potential for significant harm”, I thought people might be interested in more of the emails that went between Wirral Council and the Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service about the plans for a fire station in Wirral West as it seems that detailed discussions were going on behind the scenes both at officer level at Wirral Council & Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service, as well as discussions with councillors too.
Timmins, Kieran
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 29 April 2014 13:02 To: ‘Ball, David, S.’ Cc: Armstrong, David; Simpson, Tony Subject: RE: Greasby sites
Very helpful. Thank you all
No need to explore further at present
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
From: Ball, David S Sent: 29 April 2014 12:58 To: Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David; Simpson, Tony Subject FW: Greasby sites
Kieran,
Here is the view on this site from my Forward Planning team. It seems that there would be some planning policy issues here but I can explore it further if you want me to.
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Entwhistle, John C. Sent: 29 April 2014 12:56 To: Ball, David S. Subject: RE: Greasby sites
David – the land on the opposite site of Frankby road to St John the Divine is in the Green Belt so a fire station would be inappropriate development and very special circumstances would have to be demonstrated. However there is potential for significant harm to the Green Belt in this location because of its role in maintaining separation between Greasby and Frankby.
John Entwistle Principal Forward Planning Officer,
Forward Planning,
Regeneration and Environment,
Wirral Council,
Town Hall, Brighton Street
Wallasey, Merseyside
CH44 8ED
Telephone: 0151 691 8221
email: johnentwistle@wirral.gov.uk
Fax: 0151 691 8273
Visit our website www.wirral.gov.uk
Please save paper and print out only what is necessary.
From: Ball, David S. Sent: 29 April 2014 12:19 To: Entwhistle, John C. Subject: FW: Greasby sites Importance: High
John,
Do we know anything about this site?
Would a fire station be an acceptable use?
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Timmins, Kieran [mailto:KieranTimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 29 April 2014 08:54 To: Ball, David S. Subject: Greasby sites
Hi David
Do you know anything about land sited on Frankby road opposite St John the divine church? Is that a possible fire station site?
Cheers
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
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From: Halpin, Colleen S. on behalf of Armstrong, David Sent: 07 May 2014 16:49 To: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Dear Kieran
Did Tony provide you with the contact for the Woodland Trust?
Any outstanding issues re us moving into Birkenhead Fire Station?
Regards
David Armstrong
Head of Universal Services CYPD
And Assistant Chief Executive
Colleen Halpin
PA to Director of Children’s Services
Children and Young People’s Department
Wirral Council
Tel: 0151 666 4288
Fax: 0151 666 4338
E-mail: colleenhalpin@wirral.gov.uk
www.wirral.gov.uk
From: Timmins, Kieran [mailto:KieranTimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 29 April 2014 06:36 To: Armstrong, David Subject: Greasby Sites
HI David
Can you send me your contact details for the woodland trust (did you have any joy with them?).
Many thanks
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
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From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 07 May 2014 17:53 To: Armstrong, David Cc: Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Hi David
Tony hasn’t had a chance to send details yet. Be grateful if you could follow up.
Colin, Can you update us on current position on Birkenhead.
Thanks
Kieran
Timmins, Kieran
From: Halpin, Colleen S. on behalf of Armstrong, David Sent: 07 May 2014 16:49 To: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Dear Kieran
Did Tony provide you with the contact for the Woodland Trust?
Any outstanding issues re us moving into Birkenhead Fire Station?
Regards
David Armstrong
Head of Universal Services CYPD
And Assistant Chief Executive
Colleen Halpin
PA to Director of Children’s Services
Children and Young People’s Department
Wirral Council
Tel: 0151 666 4288
Fax: 0151 666 4338
E-mail: colleenhalpin@wirral.gov.uk
www.wirral.gov.uk
From: Timmins, Kieran [mailto:KieranTimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 29 April 2014 06:36 To: Armstrong, David Subject: Greasby Sites
HI David
Can you send me your contact details for the woodland trust (did you have any joy with them?).
Many thanks
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
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From: Simpson, Tony Sent: 16 May 2014 11:37 To: Armstrong, David; Schofield, Colin, Timmins, Kieran Cc: Royle, Jeannette E. Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
DavidSmith@woodlandtrust.org.uk]
Regards
Tony
From:/B> Lloyd, Tina A. On Behalf Of Armstrong, David Sent: 15 May 2014 15:37 To: ‘Schofield, Colin’; Timmins, Kieran; Armstrong, David Cc: Simpson, Tony; Royle, Jeannette E. Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Re Birkenhead – I have now signed off a draft report for Cabinet Member approval ASAP. That should allow the other documents to be completed.
Thanks
Tina Lloyd on behalf of
David Armstrong
Head of Universal Services CYPD
and Assistant Chief Executive
Wirral Council
Tel: 0151 666 4313
Fax: 0151 666 4338
email: tinalloyd@wirral.gov.uk
Visit our website: www.wirral.gov.uk
From: Schofield, Colin [mailto:ColinSchofield@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 07 May 2014 18:02 To: Timmins, Kieran; Armstrong, David Subject: Re: Greasby Sites
Kieran
Re Birkenhead, draft lease & associated documents are with Dawn to pass to Wirral’s legal team for consideration.
Need to sort out ICT connections but move in date shouldn’t be too far away.
Regards
Col
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 05:53 PM To: Armstrong, David Cc: Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Hi David
Tony hasn’t had a chance to send details yet. Be grateful if you could follow up.
Colin, Can you update us on current position on Birkenhead.
Thanks
Kieran
From: Halpin, Colleen S. [ColleenHalpin@wirral.gov.uk] on behalf of Armstrong, David [davidarmstrong@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: 07 May 2014 16:48 To: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Dear Kieran
Did Tony provide you with the contact for the Woodland Trust?
Any outstanding issues re us moving into Birkenhead Fire Station?
Regards
David Armstrong
Head of Universal Services CYPD
And Assistant Chief Executive
Colleen Halpin
PA to Director of Children’s Services
Children and Young People’s Department
Wirral Council
Tel: 0151 666 4288
Fax: 0151 666 4338
E-mail: colleenhalpin@wirral.gov.uk
www.wirral.gov.uk
From: Timmins, Kieran [mailto:KieranTimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 29 April 2014 06:36 To: Armstrong, David Subject: Greasby Sites
HI David
Can you send me your contact details for the woodland trust (did you have any joy with them?).
Many thanks
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
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From: Simpson, Tony Sent: 16 May 2014 11:37 To: Armstrong, David; Schofield, Colin, Timmins, Kieran Cc: Royle, Jeannette E. Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
DavidSmith@woodlandtrust.org.uk]
Regards
Tony
From:/B> Lloyd, Tina A. On Behalf Of Armstrong, David Sent: 15 May 2014 15:37 To: ‘Schofield, Colin’; Timmins, Kieran; Armstrong, David Cc: Simpson, Tony; Royle, Jeannette E. Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Re Birkenhead – I have now signed off a draft report for Cabinet Member approval ASAP. That should allow the other documents to be completed.
Thanks
Tina Lloyd on behalf of
David Armstrong
Head of Universal Services CYPD
and Assistant Chief Executive
Wirral Council
Tel: 0151 666 4313
Fax: 0151 666 4338
email: tinalloyd@wirral.gov.uk
Visit our website: www.wirral.gov.uk
From: Schofield, Colin [mailto:ColinSchofield@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 07 May 2014 18:02 To: Timmins, Kieran; Armstrong, David Subject: Re: Greasby Sites
Kieran
Re Birkenhead, draft lease & associated documents are with Dawn to pass to Wirral’s legal team for consideration.
Need to sort out ICT connections but move in date shouldn’t be too far away.
Regards
Col
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 05:53 PM To: Armstrong, David Cc: Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Hi David
Tony hasn’t had a chance to send details yet. Be grateful if you could follow up.
Colin, Can you update us on current position on Birkenhead.
Thanks
Kieran
From: Halpin, Colleen S. [ColleenHalpin@wirral.gov.uk] on behalf of Armstrong, David [davidarmstrong@wirral.gov.uk] Sent: 07 May 2014 16:48 To: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: Greasby Sites
Dear Kieran
Did Tony provide you with the contact for the Woodland Trust?
Any outstanding issues re us moving into Birkenhead Fire Station?
Regards
David Armstrong
Head of Universal Services CYPD
And Assistant Chief Executive
Colleen Halpin
PA to Director of Children’s Services
Children and Young People’s Department
Wirral Council
Tel: 0151 666 4288
Fax: 0151 666 4338
E-mail: colleenhalpin@wirral.gov.uk
www.wirral.gov.uk
From: Timmins, Kieran [mailto:KieranTimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 29 April 2014 06:36 To: Armstrong, David Subject: Greasby Sites
HI David
Can you send me your contact details for the woodland trust (did you have any joy with them?).
Many thanks
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 16 May 2014 13:27 To: Schofield, Colin Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: GREASBY
Colin,
This work is in progress and we should have something by next Tuesday.
David
DAVID BALL Head of Regeneration and Planning Regeneration and Environment Department Wirral Council
From: Schofield, Colin [mailto:ColinSchofield@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 16 May 2014 08:48 To: Ball, David S. Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: GREASBY
Hi David
Following on from when we spoke last week, I recall you were going to get someone to look at the land at Upton By-pass/Saughall Massie Road to see if there was any potential for us to consider it as a site for the new merged Upton/West Kirby fire station. I think you also suggested that you’d get someone to produce a plan showing any ‘spare land’ in the Greasby area (back to the By-pass) so we can continue to seek out a potential site for the new station.
I was just wondering if you had any news on either of these please?
Regards
Colin
Colin Schofield Regional Project Director North West Fire & Rescue Services PFI Project c/o Merseyside F&RS HQ Bridle Road Bootle Merseyside L30 4YD tel 0151 296 4203 mob 07780 997933 fax 0151 296 4224 email colinschofield@merseyfire.gov.uk
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 19 May 2014 10:41 To: Schofield, Colin Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites Attachments: Land Corner Saughall Massie Road 1_2500.pdf; Land North Upton Cricket Club 1_2500.pdf
Colin,
Confidential
Further to our recent conversation and the e-mail exchange last week, please find attached and below some thoughts from my Planning Policy Team about potential sites. Unfortunately, as you will read, there are a number of constraints to these sites but we are having difficulty identifying suitable sites in the Greasby area.
Happy to discuss!
David DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Austin, Hannah Sent: 19 May 2014 10:17 To: Ball, David S. CC: Fraser, Andrew S. Subject: Potential Fire Station Sites
David,
Further to your discussion with Andrew on Friday, please find attached site plans of two potential sites for the relocation of Upton Fire Station. We examined the whole area and these are the only sites that we consider have potential, in addition to the site already being considered. It should be noted, however, that these are still subject to significant constraints. The land at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a Council-owned densely wooded site with access constraints. It is likely that there would be significant highways issues at the junction with Upton By-Pass. The land to the north of Upton Cricket Club is also subject to access constraints and is currently used for horse grazing. It has been submitted through the Call for Sites exercise for consideration for housing. Both sites are also less than 1 mile away from the existing station in Upton.
In terms of Green Belt sites, this type of development would be considered inappropriate and very special circumstances would need to be demonstrated to justify development. The capacity to accommodate fire engines on Frankby Road and the western part of Saughall Massie Road may also act as a constraint to development in Greasby/Saughall Massie.
I hope this helps. If you need anything else please let me know.
Kind regards
Hannah Austin Senior Planning Officer
Wirral Council
Regeneration and Planning Service, North Annexe, Wallasey Town Hall, Brighton Street, Wallasey, Wirral CH44 8ED
Tel: 0151 691 8192
Email: hannahaustin@wirral.gov.uk
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From: Ball, David, S. Sent: 19 May 2014 13:02 To: Schofield, Colin Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites (further info) Attachments: Land Corner Saughall Massie Road 1_2500.pdf; Land North Upton Cricket Club 1_2500.pdf
Colin,
CONFIDENTIAL
Update on sites!
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Fraser, Andrew S. Sent: 19 May 2014 11:36 To: Ball, David S. Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info]
David.
Just to say that the site at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a designated Urban Greenspace but although highly visible it does not really function as an accessible public open space and Overchurch Park is within 400m to the north, albeit on the other side of the bypass. The visual landscaping impact alongside the bypass could however be retained without retaining the whole of the rest of the site (although this is still likely to be controversial!). The highways issues are however likely to be overriding.
Thanks
Andrew Fraser, Forward Planning Manager
Regeneration and Planning Service
Tel: 0151 691 8218 Fax: 0151 691 8188
From: Austin, Hannah Sent: 19 May 2014 10:17 To: Ball, David S. CC: Fraser, Andrew S. Subject: Potential Fire Station Sites
David,
Further to your discussion with Andrew on Friday, please find attached site plans of two potential sites for the relocation of Upton Fire Station. We examined the whole area and these are the only sites that we consider have potential, in addition to the site already being considered. It should be noted, however, that these are still subject to significant constraints. The land at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a Council-owned densely wooded site with access constraints. It is likely that there would be significant highways issues at the junction with Upton By-Pass. The land to the north of Upton Cricket Club is also subject to access constraints and is currently used for horse grazing. It has been submitted through the Call for Sites exercise for consideration for housing. Both sites are also less than 1 mile away from the existing station in Upton.
In terms of Green Belt sites, this type of development would be considered inappropriate and very special circumstances would need to be demonstrated to justify development. The capacity to accommodate fire engines on Frankby Road and the western part of Saughall Massie Road may also act as a constraint to development in Greasby/Saughall Massie.
I hope this helps. If you need anything else please let me know.
Kind regards
Hannah Austin Senior Planning Officer
Wirral Council
Regeneration and Planning Service, North Annexe, Wallasey Town Hall, Brighton Street, Wallasey, Wirral CH44 8ED
Tel: 0151 691 8192
Email: hannahaustin@wirral.gov.uk
Fax: 0151 691 8188
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From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 19 May 2014 15:46 To: ‘Ball, David S.’ Cc: Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Potential Fire Station Sites (further info)
Thanks again David
Would be grateful if colleagues able to give any more details on concerns on the highway’s issues. We tend to find that
a) Fire stations are a lot quieter than people imagine and rarely respond under blue lights
b) Quite often appliances respond when they are off site doing home fire safety checks etc
Thanks
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
From: Ball, David, S. Sent: 19 May 2014 13:02 To: Schofield, Colin Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites (further info) Attachments: Land Corner Saughall Massie Road 1_2500.pdf; Land North Upton Cricket Club 1_2500.pdf
Colin,
CONFIDENTIAL
Update on sites!
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Fraser, Andrew S. Sent: 19 May 2014 11:36 To: Ball, David S. Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info]
David.
Just to say that the site at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a designated Urban Greenspace but although highly visible it does not really function as an accessible public open space and Overchurch Park is within 400m to the north, albeit on the other side of the bypass. The visual landscaping impact alongside the bypass could however be retained without retaining the whole of the rest of the site (although this is still likely to be controversial!). The highways issues are however likely to be overriding.
Thanks
Andrew Fraser, Forward Planning Manager
Regeneration and Planning Service
Tel: 0151 691 8218 Fax: 0151 691 8188
From: Austin, Hannah Sent: 19 May 2014 10:17 To: Ball, David S. CC: Fraser, Andrew S. Subject: Potential Fire Station Sites
David,
Further to your discussion with Andrew on Friday, please find attached site plans of two potential sites for the relocation of Upton Fire Station. We examined the whole area and these are the only sites that we consider have potential, in addition to the site already being considered. It should be noted, however, that these are still subject to significant constraints. The land at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a Council-owned densely wooded site with access constraints. It is likely that there would be significant highways issues at the junction with Upton By-Pass. The land to the north of Upton Cricket Club is also subject to access constraints and is currently used for horse grazing. It has been submitted through the Call for Sites exercise for consideration for housing. Both sites are also less than 1 mile away from the existing station in Upton.
In terms of Green Belt sites, this type of development would be considered inappropriate and very special circumstances would need to be demonstrated to justify development. The capacity to accommodate fire engines on Frankby Road and the western part of Saughall Massie Road may also act as a constraint to development in Greasby/Saughall Massie.
I hope this helps. If you need anything else please let me know.
Kind regards
Hannah Austin Senior Planning Officer
Wirral Council
Regeneration and Planning Service, North Annexe, Wallasey Town Hall, Brighton Street, Wallasey, Wirral CH44 8ED
Tel: 0151 691 8192
Email: hannahaustin@wirral.gov.uk
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 20 May 2014 08:01 To: Timmins, Kieran Cc: Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info]
Kieran,
I will look into the highway issues in more detail.
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 19 May 2014 15:46 To: ‘Ball, David S.’ Cc: Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Potential Fire Station Sites (further info)
Thanks again David
Would be grateful if colleagues able to give any more details on concerns on the highway’s issues. We tend to find that
a) Fire stations are a lot quieter than people imagine and rarely respond under blue lights
b) Quite often appliances respond when they are off site doing home fire safety checks etc
Thanks
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
From: Ball, David, S. Sent: 19 May 2014 13:02 To: Schofield, Colin Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites (further info) Attachments: Land Corner Saughall Massie Road 1_2500.pdf; Land North Upton Cricket Club 1_2500.pdf
Colin,
CONFIDENTIAL
Update on sites!
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Fraser, Andrew S. Sent: 19 May 2014 11:36 To: Ball, David S. Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info]
David.
Just to say that the site at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a designated Urban Greenspace but although highly visible it does not really function as an accessible public open space and Overchurch Park is within 400m to the north, albeit on the other side of the bypass. The visual landscaping impact alongside the bypass could however be retained without retaining the whole of the rest of the site (although this is still likely to be controversial!). The highways issues are however likely to be overriding.
Thanks
Andrew Fraser, Forward Planning Manager
Regeneration and Planning Service
Tel: 0151 691 8218 Fax: 0151 691 8188
From: Austin, Hannah Sent: 19 May 2014 10:17 To: Ball, David S. CC: Fraser, Andrew S. Subject: Potential Fire Station Sites
David,
Further to your discussion with Andrew on Friday, please find attached site plans of two potential sites for the relocation of Upton Fire Station. We examined the whole area and these are the only sites that we consider have potential, in addition to the site already being considered. It should be noted, however, that these are still subject to significant constraints. The land at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a Council-owned densely wooded site with access constraints. It is likely that there would be significant highways issues at the junction with Upton By-Pass. The land to the north of Upton Cricket Club is also subject to access constraints and is currently used for horse grazing. It has been submitted through the Call for Sites exercise for consideration for housing. Both sites are also less than 1 mile away from the existing station in Upton.
In terms of Green Belt sites, this type of development would be considered inappropriate and very special circumstances would need to be demonstrated to justify development. The capacity to accommodate fire engines on Frankby Road and the western part of Saughall Massie Road may also act as a constraint to development in Greasby/Saughall Massie.
I hope this helps. If you need anything else please let me know.
Kind regards
Hannah Austin Senior Planning Officer
Wirral Council
Regeneration and Planning Service, North Annexe, Wallasey Town Hall, Brighton Street, Wallasey, Wirral CH44 8ED
Tel: 0151 691 8192
Email: hannahaustin@wirral.gov.uk
Fax: 0151 691 8188
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 25 June 2014 08:11 To: Schofield, Colin Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info]
Colin,
Apologies for the delay in replying as things have been very busy of late.
On an initial look and taking into account your comments in your e-mail of 19 may, I think we could look at this positively subject to detailed design.
I hope this helps.
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Schofield, Colin [mailto:ColinSchofield@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 25 June 2014 07:55 To: Ball, David S. Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info] Importance: High
Hi David
Do you have any further update on this please?
I understand that Dan Stephens is meeting Councillor Phil Davies on Tuesday & I need to update him before that meeting.
Regards
Colin
From: Schofield, Colin Sent: 04 June 2014 07:58 To: ‘Ball, David S.’ Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info]
David
Is there any further news on the highways issues please?
Regards
Colin
Colin Schofield Regional Project Director North West Fire & Rescue Services PFI Project c/o Merseyside F&RS HQ Bridle Road Bootle Merseyside L30 4YD tel 0151 296 4203 mob 07780 997933 fax 0151 296 4224 email colinschofield@merseyfire.gov.uk
From: Ball, David S. Sent: 20 May 2014 08:01 To: Timmins, Kieran Cc: Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info]
Kieran,
I will look into the highway issues in more detail.
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 19 May 2014 15:46 To: ‘Ball, David S.’ Cc: Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Potential Fire Station Sites (further info)
Thanks again David
Would be grateful if colleagues able to give any more details on concerns on the highway’s issues. We tend to find that
a) Fire stations are a lot quieter than people imagine and rarely respond under blue lights
b) Quite often appliances respond when they are off site doing home fire safety checks etc
Thanks
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
From: Ball, David, S. Sent: 19 May 2014 13:02 To: Schofield, Colin Cc: Timmins, Kieran Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites (further info) Attachments: Land Corner Saughall Massie Road 1_2500.pdf; Land North Upton Cricket Club 1_2500.pdf
Colin,
CONFIDENTIAL
Update on sites!
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Fraser, Andrew S. Sent: 19 May 2014 11:36 To: Ball, David S. Subject: FW: Potential Fire Station Sites [further info]
David.
Just to say that the site at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a designated Urban Greenspace but although highly visible it does not really function as an accessible public open space and Overchurch Park is within 400m to the north, albeit on the other side of the bypass. The visual landscaping impact alongside the bypass could however be retained without retaining the whole of the rest of the site (although this is still likely to be controversial!). The highways issues are however likely to be overriding.
Thanks
Andrew Fraser, Forward Planning Manager
Regeneration and Planning Service
Tel: 0151 691 8218 Fax: 0151 691 8188
From: Austin, Hannah Sent: 19 May 2014 10:17 To: Ball, David S. CC: Fraser, Andrew S. Subject: Potential Fire Station Sites
David,
Further to your discussion with Andrew on Friday, please find attached site plans of two potential sites for the relocation of Upton Fire Station. We examined the whole area and these are the only sites that we consider have potential, in addition to the site already being considered. It should be noted, however, that these are still subject to significant constraints. The land at the corner of Saughall Massie Road is a Council-owned densely wooded site with access constraints. It is likely that there would be significant highways issues at the junction with Upton By-Pass. The land to the north of Upton Cricket Club is also subject to access constraints and is currently used for horse grazing. It has been submitted through the Call for Sites exercise for consideration for housing. Both sites are also less than 1 mile away from the existing station in Upton.
In terms of Green Belt sites, this type of development would be considered inappropriate and very special circumstances would need to be demonstrated to justify development. The capacity to accommodate fire engines on Frankby Road and the western part of Saughall Massie Road may also act as a constraint to development in Greasby/Saughall Massie.
I hope this helps. If you need anything else please let me know.
Kind regards
Hannah Austin Senior Planning Officer
Wirral Council
Regeneration and Planning Service, North Annexe, Wallasey Town Hall, Brighton Street, Wallasey, Wirral CH44 8ED
Tel: 0151 691 8192
Email: hannahaustin@wirral.gov.uk
Fax: 0151 691 8188
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 09 July 2014 08:06 To: Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David; Simpson, Tony; Blott, Joe R. Subject: Potential fire station sites in Wirral
Kieran,
Joe Blott, one of our Strategic Directors has asked me to contact you following the recent meeting that Dan Stevens had with the leader of the Council. I understand that one of the discussion points was the various sites that we have been discussing over the past few months for a potential new fire station.
I understand that there may be a need to consolidate all the correspondence and to come to a view if any of these sites are possible locations and if there is a preferred site fro the Council to let you know whether it is available (if we own it) and what the planning considerations may be. I know that we (Asset Management and me from a planning perspective) have discussed a number of sites but would it be useful to meet to come to a considered position on this matter?
Please can you let me know what would be best?
Thanks,
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
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From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 09 July 2014 17:02 To: ‘Ball, David S.’ Cc: Armstrong, David; Simpson, Tony; Blott, Joe R; ColinSchofield@merseyfire.gov.uk;NyreeCollinson@merseyfire.gov.uk Subject: RE: Potential fire station sites in Wirral
Hi David
That’s very timely as I was just discussing with Colin holding a meeting to review the site options and it would make a lot of sense to do that jointly with your input. I’ll get a meeting set up with Colin Schofield, myself and (is it just) you from the Wirral side?
Under separate cover I’ll send a copy of a short note I did for Dan trying to summarise where we are up to which might be useful for all
Best wishes
Kieran
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
From: Ball, David S. Sent: 09 July 2014 08:06 To: Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David; Simpson, Tony; Blott, Joe R. Subject: Potential fire station sites in Wirral
Kieran,
Joe Blott, one of our Strategic Directors has asked me to contact you following the recent meeting that Dan Stevens had with the leader of the Council. I understand that one of the discussion points was the various sites that we have been discussing over the past few months for a potential new fire station.
I understand that there may be a need to consolidate all the correspondence and to come to a view if any of these sites are possible locations and if there is a preferred site fro the Council to let you know whether it is available (if we own it) and what the planning considerations may be. I know that we (Asset Management and me from a planning perspective) have discussed a number of sites but would it be useful to meet to come to a considered position on this matter?
Please can you let me know what would be best?
Thanks,
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
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From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 09 July 2014 17:07 To: ‘Ball, David S.’ Cc: Armstrong, David; Simpson, Tony; Blott, Joe R; ColinSchofield@merseyfire.gov.uk;NyreeCollinson@merseyfire.gov.uk Subject: RE: Potential fire station sites in Wirral Attachments: summary of greasby sites update june 25.xlsx
Hi David,
Further to previous email see notes below and attachment which were provided for Chief Exec’s meeting
a) Sites discounted early
Two sites were considered at an early stage and discounted. One was a junior school on Mill Lane – there were concerns about access and no indications that school was willing to give up land. The second was a farm site on Arrowe road – No indications if land was for sale
b) Sites considered in more detail
Since then 6 sites have been considered in more detail. They have been identified by a mix of estates team detective work, suggestions by colleagues and suggestions by Wirral officers. The sites are analysed in more detail in the attached appendix. As it stands there are two “runners” left:-
Saughall Massie Road/Upton By Pass. This is owned by Wirral and looks quite positive based on recent correspondence despite being urban greenspace. It may be a little father from Greasby than planned but access good
The Library/Community hall site in middle of Greasby. However this site not suitable for ambulance services and we would have to deal with multiple partners. Locality is a political hot potato with large public outcry about supermarket development.
c) Latest Developments
Estates team have been liaising with various professional advisers to see if they had any information. We have heard rumours of one potential larger development being put together near Greasby. We are awaiting more details and location
Have also formally instructed Hardie Brack to look for sites and their report is awaited. We believe they may have identified three or four potential plots which we understand all to be farmland that might be for sale.
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
From: Ball, David S. Sent: 09 July 2014 08:06 To: Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David; Simpson, Tony; Blott, Joe R. Subject: Potential fire station sites in Wirral
Kieran,
Joe Blott, one of our Strategic Directors has asked me to contact you following the recent meeting that Dan Stevens had with the leader of the Council. I understand that one of the discussion points was the various sites that we have been discussing over the past few months for a potential new fire station.
I understand that there may be a need to consolidate all the correspondence and to come to a view if any of these sites are possible locations and if there is a preferred site fro the Council to let you know whether it is available (if we own it) and what the planning considerations may be. I know that we (Asset Management and me from a planning perspective) have discussed a number of sites but would it be useful to meet to come to a considered position on this matter?
Please can you let me know what would be best?
Thanks,
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 09 July 2014 17:31 To: Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David; Simpson, Tony, Blott, Joe R; Schofield, Colin; Collinson, Nyree Subject: RE: Potential fire station sites in Wirral
Kieran
I suggest me on the planning side and David and/or Tony on the assets side.
David
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 25 July 2014 14:10 To: Timmins, Kieran; Schofield, Colin Subject: Fire Station -CONFIDENTIAL
Kieran and Colin,
It was good to see you this morning.
I have had the opportunity to speak with colleagues at officer level regarding the thoughts for the centre of Greasby and they are all supportive of the principle. I am now pulling together relevant space details and there are a number of options here which will be helpful. I will forward these as soon as I have them.
I will speak to David Armstrong on Monday about the land issues and will begin to sound out Cabinet Members around the middle of next week,
I will keep you advised.
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
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From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 25 July 2014 22:01 To: Ball, David S.; Schofield, Colin Cc: Garrigan, Phil; Stephens, Dan Subject: RE: Fire Station – CONFIDENTIAL
Hi David
Thank you very much for your efforts and pragmatic advice. This seems a really exciting development and one the whole management team are really keen on.
We look forward to working with you to deliver …… Operation Reading by Firelight begins!
Thanks
Kieran
From: Ball, David S. Sent: 25 July 2014 14:09 To: Timmins, Kieran; Schofield, Colin Subject: Fire Station -CONFIDENTIAL
Kieran and Colin,
It was good to see you this morning.
I have had the opportunity to speak with colleagues at officer level regarding the thoughts for the centre of Greasby and they are all supportive of the principle. I am now pulling together relevant space details and there are a number of options here which will be helpful. I will forward these as soon as I have them.
I will speak to David Armstrong on Monday about the land issues and will begin to sound out Cabinet Members around the middle of next week,
I will keep you advised.
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 25 July 2014 22:06 To: Timmins, Kieran Subject: Re: Fire Station -CONFIDENTIAL
Kieran
You are welcome.
Let’s hope we succeed.
David
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From: Ball, David S. Sent: 04 August 2014 14:28 To: Timmins, Kieran Subject: RE: Update on station proposals for Upton and West Kirby
Kieran,
Thanks!
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Timmins, Kieran [mailto:KieranTimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 04 August 2014 14:23 To: Ball, David S. Subject: FW: Update on station proposals for Upton and West Kirby.
Hi David…… see Dan’s correspondence with Ester Mcvey below…..
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
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From: Stephens, Dan Sent: 04 August 2014 14:17 To: Strategic Management Group Subject: FW: Update on station proposals for Upton and West Kirby.
Colleagues,
For your information.
Regards,
Dan Stephens,
Chief Fire Officer,
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service,
Bridle Road,
Bootle,
Merseyside,
L30 4YD
0151 296 4102
07967371690
dan.stephens@mfrs.cjsm.net
From: Stephens, Dan Sent: 04 August 2014 14:16 To: ‘RIMMER, Andrew’ Cc: Wainwright, Sandra Subject: RE: Update on station proposals for Upton and West Kirby.
Andrew,
We are, in conjunction with Wirral, exploring the possibility of a joint development on the site of the existing Library and Community Centre situated in between the Red Cat and Medical Centre on Frankby Road.
This would be an ideal location from an operational response perspective. The joint development may consist of a fire station, library and community facilities in an integrated building. It is possible North West Ambulance Service may also be interested in the development but that is by no means certain and would be subject to confirmation.
This proposal is at a relatively early stage and not all potential partners have yet been approached. Whilst I have a degree of confidence that such a development is deliverable I would ask that any response to constituents over this issue is heavily caveated to that effect.
My suggestion would be to respond along the lines of ‘Considerations are now focused on a site in the centre of Greasby in Wirral ownership. Whilst discussions are at a very early stage, the debate has been around delivering a shared public services facility that would add significant value to the community’.
Thanks,
Dan Stephens,
Chief Fire Officer,
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service,
Bridle Road,
Bootle,
Merseyside,
L30 4YD
0151 296 4102
07967371690
dan.stephens@mfrs.cjsm.net
From: RIMMER, Andrew [mailto:andrew.rimmer@parliament.uk] Sent: 04 August 2014 10:52 To: Stephens, Dan Cc: Wainwright, Sandrea Subject: RE: Update on station proposals for Upton and West Kirby. Importance: High
Sent on behalf of Esther McVey MP
Dear Dan
Further to your telephone call with Esther and email correspondence below regarding Fire Station proposals in Wirral West, would it be possible to update us on consideration of a site in Greasby so we have the latest information. It was one of the issues raised on Friday at the Over 60s Fair MFRS attended at Hoylake Community Centre.
Many thanks for your help.
Kind regards
Andrew
Andrew Rimmer
Office of Esther McVey MP
From:“Stephens,Dan” Date:8 May 2014 19:35:53 BST To:“MCVEY, Esther (2nd Mailbox)” Subject: RE: Update on station proposals for Upton and West Kirby.
Dear Esther,
For ease of reply I have inserted responses to your questions in the body of the e-mail below.
If it assists I can meet with you or give you a call when it is convenient for you to update you on progress?
Thanks,
Dan Stephens,
Chief Fire Officer,
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service,
Bridle Road,
Bootle,
Merseyside,
L30 4YD
0151 296 4102
07967371690
dan.stephens@mfrs.cjsm.net
From: MCVEY, Esther (2nd Mailbox) [mailto:officeofesthermcveymp@parliament.uk] Sent: 08 May 2014 14:14 To: Stephens, Dan Subject: FW: Update on station proposals for Upton and West Kirby
Dear Dan
Please could I ask for a quick update on decisions over stations in Wirral West following contact from constituents. Specifically
Have MFS identified land as yet in Greasby? – Not as yet. We are exploring the possibility of acquiring a site on the Greasby Frankby border and also a site at the junction of the Upton Bypass and Saughall Massie Road. As you are probably aware there are very few available plots of land in the area which would be appropriate for a fire (and possibly ambulance) station
If so when will any consultation process commence? – If we are able to acquire a site we will report this to the next scheduled Authority meeting and request approval to undertake a 12 week public consultation process immediately thereafter. I can send you the process we are utilising for the proposed merger in Knowsley (Huyton with Whiston) which was approved at the Authority meeting on 6th May if that would assist?
If not, what would the likely timescale be to implement alternative proposals and when would any consultation start? – If it becomes obvious that we will not be able to acquire a suitable site for a merger then we will report back to the Authority and advise them of the alternative options to a merger which on the Wirral would be the outright closure of West Kirby. Subject to Authority approval we would then undertake a 12 week consultation process immediately thereafter. Clearly this is the very last outcome we would want so we will explore every land option possible even if that requires consideration of alternative sites (hence the Upton Bypass and Saughall Massie Road reference above)
Many thanks in advance for an update on this matter.
With my best wishes
Esther McVey MP officeofesthermcveymp@parliament.uk
The Parade, Hoylake Community Centre
Hoyle Road, Hoylake
Wirral
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Timmins, Kieran From: Ball, David S. Sent: 09 September 2014 09:25 To: Stephens, Dan; Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
Dan and Kieran,
I saw Lesley Rennie last Friday and she did mention to me the meeting was taking place.
I was in meetings yesterday afternoon so only picked up the e-mail last night. Thanks for the update. I shall wait and see if Lesley can change their minds about this location or not. In the meantime I will not look at this any further until I have some view from the Councillors. I hope there is a positive outcome.
I have copied David Armstrong into this e-mail so he is aware of the latest situation.
Regards,
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Stephens, Dan [mailto:DanStephens@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 08 September 2014 18:57 To: Timmins, Kieran; Ball, David S. Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
Thanks Kieran,
David – to confirm Tom and Wendy were very clear that they would oppose the proposal. I will however speak to Lesley Rennie to establish how likely they would be to change their position given the alternative.
Regards,
Dan Stephens,
Chief Fire Officer,
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service,
Bridle Road,
Bootle,
Merseyside,
L30 4YD
0151 296 4102
07967371690
dan.stephens@mfrs.cjsm.net
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 08 September 2014 18:07 To: davidball@wiral.gov.uk Cc: Stephens, Dan Subject: Greasby Councillors
HI David
Not sure if you got the message earlier – Tried to catch you on the phone before you went to council meeting.
Dan met Greasby councillors today – Wendy Clements and Tom Anderson (I think). This as at request of Lesley rennie. They do not appear to like the idea of a fire station in Greasby and their initial thought is to oppose the plan based on the conversation today. Dan explained that the alternative option was the closure of West Kirby outright which was also not platable and may cause them to reconsider. However it appeared that their initial view is to oppose.
Can you give me a buzz on 07855 207571 if you want to discuss
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
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Timmins, Kieran
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 09 September 2014 09:28 To: ‘Ball, David S.’; Stephens, Dan Cc: Armstrong, David; Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
HI David
I think we would like to initiate discussions with the community hall in any case. The issue we have is that as firefighters retire we can’t staff all the appliances and with two years to deliver a new station its important we don’t lose any time.
Unless that causes any major problems would you be agreeable to proceed. If nothing else at least we can work up properly what is proposed as a joint service hub that may help win hearts and minds!
What do you think?
Kieran
From: Ball, David S. Sent: 09 September 2014 09:25 To: Stephens, Dan; Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
Dan and Kieran,
I saw Lesley Rennie last Friday and she did mention to me the meeting was taking place.
I was in meetings yesterday afternoon so only picked up the e-mail last night. Thanks for the update. I shall wait and see if Lesley can change their minds about this location or not. In the meantime I will not look at this any further until I have some view from the Councillors. I hope there is a positive outcome.
I have copied David Armstrong into this e-mail so he is aware of the latest situation.
Regards,
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From:; Stephens, Dan [mailto:DanStephens@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 08 September 2014 18:57 To: Timmins, Kieran; Ball, David S. Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
Thanks Kieran,
David – to confirm Tom and Wendy were very clear that they would oppose the proposal. I will however speak to Lesley Rennie to establish how likely they would be to change their position given the alternative.
Regards,
Dan Stephens,
Chief Fire Officer,
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service,
Bridle Road,
Bootle,
Merseyside,
L30 4YD
0151 296 4102
07967371690
dan.stephens@mfrs.cjsm.net
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 08 September 2014 18:07 To: davidball@wiral.gov.uk Cc: Stephens, Dan Subject: Greasby Councillors
HI David
Not sure if you got the message earlier – Tried to catch you on the phone before you went to council meeting.
Dan met Greasby councillors today – Wendy Clements and Tom Anderson (I think). This as at request of Lesley rennie. They do not appear to like the idea of a fire station in Greasby and their initial thought is to oppose the plan based on the conversation today. Dan explained that the alternative option was the closure of West Kirby outright which was also not platable and may cause them to reconsider. However it appeared that their initial view is to oppose.
Can you give me a buzz on 07855 207571 if you want to discuss
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
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Timmins, Kieran
From: Ball, David S. Sent: 09 September 2014 10:30 To: Stephens, Dan; Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David; Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
Dan,
I have just e-mailed Graham Burgess and David Armstrong on this matter and await their comments.
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Stephens, Dan [mailto:DanStephens@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 09 September 2014 09:50 To: Timmins, Keran; Ball, David S. Cc: Armstrong, David; Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
David,
Can I suggest we have a meeting to discuss our options and possibly include Graham, Phil Davies and even Jeff Green please?
The alternative to a merger of West Kirby and Upton fire stations in an outright closure of West Kirby which we would move to public consultation on imminently. That will undoubtedly result in a degree of political impact and I would want us all to be on the same page in terms of a collective position.
Thanks,
Dan Stephens,
Chief Fire Officer,
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service,
Bridle Road,
Bootle,
Merseyside,
L30 4YD
0151 296 4102
07967371690
dan.stephens@mfrs.cjsm.net
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 09 September 2014 09:28 To: ‘Ball, David S.’; Stephens, Dan Cc: Armstrong, David; Schofield, Colin Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
HI David
I think we would like to initiate discussions with the community hall in any case. The issue we have is that as firefighters retire we can’t staff all the appliances and with two years to deliver a new station its important we don’t lose any time.
Unless that causes any major problems would you be agreeable to proceed. If nothing else at least we can work up properly what is proposed as a joint service hub that may help win hearts and minds!
What do you think?
Kieran
From: Ball, David S. Sent: 09 September 2014 09:25 To: Stephens, Dan; Timmins, Kieran Cc: Armstrong, David Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
Dan and Kieran,
I saw Lesley Rennie last Friday and she did mention to me the meeting was taking place.
I was in meetings yesterday afternoon so only picked up the e-mail last night. Thanks for the update. I shall wait and see if Lesley can change their minds about this location or not. In the meantime I will not look at this any further until I have some view from the Councillors. I hope there is a positive outcome.
I have copied David Armstrong into this e-mail so he is aware of the latest situation.
Regards,
David
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
From: Stephens, Dan [mailto:DanStephens@merseyfire.gov.uk] Sent: 08 September 2014 18:57 To: Timmins, Kieran; Ball, David S. Subject: RE: Greasby Councillors
Thanks Kieran,
David – to confirm Tom and Wendy were very clear that they would oppose the proposal. I will however speak to Lesley Rennie to establish how likely they would be to change their position given the alternative.
Regards,
Dan Stephens,
Chief Fire Officer,
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service,
Bridle Road,
Bootle,
Merseyside,
L30 4YD
0151 296 4102
07967371690
dan.stephens@mfrs.cjsm.net
From: Timmins, Kieran Sent: 08 September 2014 18:07 To: davidball@wiral.gov.uk Cc: Stephens, Dan Subject: Greasby Councillors
HI David
Not sure if you got the message earlier – Tried to catch you on the phone before you went to council meeting.
Dan met Greasby councillors today – Wendy Clements and Tom Anderson (I think). This as at request of Lesley rennie. They do not appear to like the idea of a fire station in Greasby and their initial thought is to oppose the plan based on the conversation today. Dan explained that the alternative option was the closure of West Kirby outright which was also not platable and may cause them to reconsider. However it appeared that their initial view is to oppose.
Can you give me a buzz on 07855 207571 if you want to discuss
Kieran Timmins
Deputy Chief Executive
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Authority
Fire Service HQ
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD
Tel: 0151 296 4202
Fax: 0151 296 4224
kierantimmins@merseyfire.gov.uk
www.merseyfire.gov.uk
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Timmins, Kieran
From: Ball, David S. Sent: 10 September 2014 13:54 To: Stephens, Dan; Timmins, Kieran Subject: Meeting on friday re greasby and west Kirby
Dan/Kieran,
Just to confirm that David Armstrong and I will be attending the meeting at 4pm on Friday afternoon.
DAVID BALL
Head of Regeneration and Planning
Regeneration and Environment Department
Wirral Council
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168 pages of Wirral Council’s Environmental Streetscene Services contract with Biffa Waste Services Limited
168 pages of Wirral Council’s Environmental Streetscene Services contract with Biffa Waste Services Limited
Below are the first 168 pages of Wirral Council’s Environmental Streetscene Services contract with Biffa Waste Services Limited. It’s not the complete contract which runs to many more hundreds of pages. The contract is for collecting rubbish from households on the Wirral and other services such as removing litter from the streets.
Pricing information on certain pages wasn’t provided by Wirral Council on grounds of commercial confidentiality. The pages that fall into this category are page 109 of 164 (8.14 Schedule 2A – Waste & Recycling (Alternate Weekly Residual Collection), page 111 of 164 (8.16 Waste and Recycling Daywork Rates), Page 112 of 164 (8.17 Schedule 3A – Street Cleansing) and page 116 of 164 (Street Cleansing Daywork Rates) and page 117 of 164 (Cost Summary).
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Lyndale School parent “we really have lost faith in the democratic process”
Lyndale School parent “we really have lost faith in the democratic process”
Councillor Harry Smith asks a question about Lynn Wright’s qualifications
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Above is a nearly two-minute video that shows a number of comments made at meetings about Lyndale School (plus at the end one councillor’s views on filming). A transcript is below.
CLLR PHIL DAVIES: Retaining the Lyndale School, this is chaos.
CLLR LEAH FRASER: The buildings have been valued at £1.7 million and the land at errm, the land at errm £508,000.
DAVID ARMSTRONG: It’s not a value, it’s an accounting process.
CLLR HARRY SMITH: What are Lynn Wright’s qualifications?
CLLR MOIRA MCLAUGHLIN: It’s the kind of question Harry I don’t want to take from this teaching assistant.
CLLR HARRY SMITH: With respect Chair, she was criticising her qualifications so I’m asking her what are Lynn Wright’s qualifications?
CLLR MOIRA MCLAUGHLIN: We’ll ask Lynn Wright as well what her qualifications are if you’re able to answer that?
NICOLA KENNY (TEACHING ASSISTANT): Errm, well I can’t tell you exactly all her qualifications but what I can tell you is in terms of PMLD, she’s not as qualified as me.
(applause)
CLLR WENDY CLEMENTS: And I just wonder if there’s anything else particularly that you think we need to know that will help us make our decision tonight?
DAWN HUGHES (parent): And we feel that you know that we’ve lost, we really have lost faith in the democratic process and how that we really haven’t been listened to and we feel that the, that local authority officers have not been comprehensive in their examination of all the evidence and the evidence that they’ve presented to Cabinet and that when our views are not listened to and we have an authoritarian top down way of dealing with people in the community, then you know people get angry and frustrated and people are angry and frustrated about this whole process and not just us I think actually generally the community across Wirral is really unhappy about this so I just wanted to make those comments.
CLLR STEVE NIBLOCK: I’m asking you to stop filming, that means stop now! Stop now!
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There was a quote by the late Terry Pratchett who put it thus “Ankh-Morpork had dallied with many forms of government and had ended up with that form of democracy known as One Man, One Vote. The Patrician was the Man; he had the Vote.”
In Wirral Council the man with the vote is the Leader of the Council Councillor Phil Davies. Here’s what he had to say about Lyndale School.
Councillor Phil Davies talks about Lyndale School 24th February 2015
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Thank you Mr Mayor.
I’d like to provide my comments into a response now on Lyndale School and then the Jeff Green budget.
First of all on Lyndale School Mr Mayor, last year we had a thorough consultation about the future of Lyndale School. This consultation was supported by many discussions with parents, indeed I myself and the Cabinet Member met with parents, discussions with Members and others with an interest in the future of the School and the children.
Cabinet received reports on the 4th September and the 17th December last year which gave the outcome of the consultation and the representation period regarding the proposed closure of the Lyndale School.
Cabinet on the 17th December took the difficult decision to close the School with the agreed closure date of the 31st August 2016. At this meeting of Cabinet on the 17th December Members took into account the full range of issues and themes which emerged during the representation period.
Can I remind Members that the report to Cabinet on the 4th of September contained a detailed account of the outcome of the consultation held on the Wirral and the SEN Improvement Test?
Cabinet decided the closure because the viability of the School was compromised by its small size and falling roll. There are currently twenty-one children on the roll of the School. Members will be aware that there has been uncertainty about the future of the School for a number of years now and that uncertainty has been resolved by the Cabinet decision to close the School. Following the Schools Forum on the 14th January 2015, the schools have already been consulted on the schools budget for 15/16, this was agreed by Cabinet on the 10th February.
Taking all these factors into account, I do not believe that it is a viable option to anticipate that the Schools Forum will vote in favour of funding or retaining the Lyndale School. This is chaos. There are currently twenty-one pupils as I said before and this has been reducing in recent years.
There are two other primary schools for children with complex learning difficulties including children with profound and multiple learning difficulties which can provide good enough or better opportunities for current pupils at Lyndale School or future primary aged children with PMLD. The suitability of both these schools has been extensively considered and reported previously.
The Council has given careful consideration to its statutory duty to ensure that there is sufficient school places with further access to educational opportunities. It’s carefully considered the correct statutory process and guidance has been followed which includes careful consideration of the Special Educational Needs Improvement Test and equality impact assessment.
The size of the school and its falling roll and the availability of other suitable primary schools on the Wirral, it has taken account of all the views, representations and has considered details and implications including financial issues and concluded that the closure of the School is the most viable option.
Mr Mayor taking all these factors into account I cannot see that there is any basis for seeking a revocation notice to consult on those proposals to stop all current planned action being taken to close the Lyndale School. Similarly there is no basis I believe, obviously we’d negotiate with the Schools Forum to consider allocating money at the detriment of other schools who are already experiencing enormous financial pressures due to the allocation of a flat cash budget and increasing pressures on all schools to deliver a balanced budget.
Mr Mayor I do want to acknowledge that this has been a difficult and uncertain time for families with children at Lyndale School and their staff but every effort will be made to ensure that there are good plans for each and every child to secure alternative school provision with strong plans for transition in place well before the School closes in July 2016.
So Mr Mayor that’s my response to the Lyndale School.
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